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Posted 2/5/08
i think shiki is stronger cuz he has the death eyes and shiro has only a image weapons.
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Posted 2/5/08
It could go ether way. Both are quite skilled at their fields of combat.
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Posted 2/7/08
dunno...in the anime shiro was useless but i still have the novel to clarify on that... so i think shiki is the winner..(may still change)
Posted 2/20/08
Well, this should answer the question.... lol
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Posted 2/20/08
damn.... shiki is so strong.... ^_^
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Posted 2/20/08
ah so shiki is stronger...that good
Posted 2/21/08

thesilentreviewer wrote:

Well, this should answer the question.... lol


As seen in the manga above, Shiki's ability is quite gay....in lay men's term....the manga depicted above didn't show Shiki's weakness...

The Mystic Eyes of Death Perception are not infallible. The human mind was not meant to perceive death in such a way, and using it is highly taxing on the human brain, causing headaches. In addition, there are multiple levels of perception; in the beginning, Shiki could only see lines on people and objects, then progressed to seeing dots on living things, then dots on inanimate objects. Each step takes the mind further from natural perception, and each step is more damaging to the brain; eventually the stress leads the brain's blood vessels to burst and death for the user.


If somebody else were to create a doujin about Shiro defeating Shiki, it could be possible as long the doujin artist understand and implement this concept of Shiro winning...
Example, like maybe he drop on his knees from the excruciating pain in his head of using the ability on Shiro's reality marble which can be quite taxing because of its infinite dimension....

Shiro can win if this element is implemented in the doujin created....


In addition, there exist in nature entities which have no fated destruction in particular circumstances; for instance, Arcueid during the point where she is strongest. In these cases, no lines or dots can be seen. Lastly, the ability to perceive and trace lines or pierce dots does not give the user any added physical capacity to perform the task itself, especially against an unwilling target. Shiki must still get in range, aim, and move his hand by himself, which is not a trivial task against the kind of enemies he faces.


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Or the doujin artist could even make it seem that despite being able to cut Shiro project's imaging weapons with ease...He couldn't seem to be able to find/see any lines or dots....in his Reality Marble....


There are lot of way of interpretation....It is not definite yet....Thats why...there are so many doujinshi around....lol...
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Posted 2/21/08
hmm.... you got a point sasukesrg.... it depends on the one interpreting it.... and also .... i think shiki is fighting based on his nanaya instincts.... and shiro trained in fighting... so no one would really win.... for me, w/o the eyes of shiki and the reality marble of shiro... its a draw
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Posted 3/17/08
well i bet shiki is a bit stronger then shiro since he was the one that defeated nero chaos and warachia
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Posted 3/17/08

thesilentreviewer wrote:

Well, this should answer the question.... lol


WHERE DID YOU GET THAT......I WANT IT(The entire story, not just this scene)!
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Posted 3/18/08

ChaoScythe wrote:


thesilentreviewer wrote:

Well, this should answer the question.... lol


WHERE DID YOU GET THAT......I WANT IT(The entire story, not just this scene)!


lol what's saber and rin are doing they should fight arcuied while shiro fight agaist shiki
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Posted 3/25/08

thesilentreviewer wrote:

Well, this should answer the question.... lol


Actually this is a very bad example.

If you have played Hisui's Route in Tsukihime Shiki killed the poison in Kohaku's body but because of that the nerves in Shiki's eyes were strained that he got blind (temporarily). That's only poison but it's a REALITY MARBLE we are talking about. A world created by a persons thought, something that must not exist. If you apply what happened to Shiki in Hisui's route I think that using his eyes on the reality marble will really take his eyesight or worse.

As you all know his eyes gives a lot of strain to his mind. It's ok to use it on Living object because he is also a living thing but to see death of something not living his mind must conceive that inanimate object by being one with that object. I don't know who explained this but I think it's Arcueid/Ciel. I'll look at it tomorrow for a more detailed explanation.

And as for who will win? I don't have a clear winner. Why?

When Shiki transforms to Nanaya Shiki he will gain the ability of his bloodline and he is really powerful when that happens. He becomes more agile and he won't think of letting his opponent live.

Shirou on the other hand is useless in the ANIME but in the VN (Unlimited Blade Works Route) Archers ability was directly passed to Shirou and he also got the Noble Phantasm of Archer engraved in his memory. But Shirou can't use his Noble Phantasm because of lack of Magical Energy (but he can use it if his Contract with RIn is still in effect). But unlike Shiki I think Shirou won't kill Shiki if there is no reason <_<

So to sum it all Shiki has the upperhand but don't forget about Archer's skill Minds Eye. Even if there is a 1% chance of Victory Archer can use that to defeat the enemy but I don't know if Shirou got that skill when he fought Archer so I can't take that into consideration.

But there is also the sheath of Excalibur in question. Shirou can Project it and protect him but I don't have much detail about that.
Posted 3/25/08
That could be a problem.... Mystic Eyes of Death Perception vs All is an ever Distant Utopia...... Ouch
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Posted 4/12/08
Shiki for me. The ultimate fighting machine of mankind. lol
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