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(edit for additional clarification.)
This was a question from Gunslinger Stratos episode 9. Since the comments are down on that particular episode at the moment I figured I would put it here, and have more room to work.

"Why do men always seek acknowledgement?"
This was in response to a genius scientist engaging in a coup-De-ta to take over the organization that was seeking to save the world from destruction. Naturally he thought his methods were correct, and that he was fully capable of avoiding catastrophe. Still, it seems his primary motivation was self interest, and seeking a greater sense of acknowledgment for his position and abilities.

In the show it was aimed specifically at a male character, but in a broader sense it could be looked at for any gender. The basic answer to me seems simple. It's because we want to feel like we have had an impact on the world. The reasons that people seek acknowledgment in the short term are as numerous and varied as the people themselves, and I would hardly be able to do justice to explaining it by myself. Sometimes it is for a sense of interaction in our daily lives, but can be seeking a longer effect that will outlast our own lives. For the moment though I will just set down a couple examples of the longer view.

Some people will strive to gain some sort of notoriety that will have their name or face memorialized in relation to some grand achievement. That is difficult to achieve, and tends to have a fading effect over time. Although it does carry a persons superficial qualities forward, the essence of who the person was in their life is usually lost to memory within the first generation or two after their death. Those favored by histories will have a better chance of having some level of deeper recognition over time, but it will mainly be only to those who have gone out of their way to examine the available records.

Another path is to seek to have a deep, and longer lasting effect on people around themselves. This is especially evident in the passing of wisdom, skills, ethics, and stories to future generations on a personal level. By appearances, this method has fallen into neglect to a degree, and outright assault at times in recent decades. The reward for this isn't so much a personal notoriety, but rather the satisfaction of being a part of a greater passing of inter-generational knowledge and impact.

Now another question for anyone that wants to join in. Consider yourself free to make a case for your own perspective as well if neither of these simplified versions fits how you feel.

Which do you feel is more in line with your own desire for making an impact in life?
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Then, what does it say for neo-feminist then?

The ones that go beyond what feminism really is. Not striving for equality but something else.

I forgot to put the sunglasses smiley like you did. Wait up.

Here you go.
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I honestly do think its more of a self-esteem issue.
Men are expected to succeed in life. I don't think its about making a impact or difference in the world, its about meeting peoples expectations so they can have a sense of self-worth.
Some of them actually do & some don't.
But this is what I concluded from hearing multiple perspectives of mostly guys I personally know.

I, as a female however, wanna make a difference & possibly an impact among people. I'm not normally expected to do that. I may get people to try to discourage me (they just make me wanna try even harder tbh) but yeah compared to men, I'm not normally expected in to becoming successful.
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I'm sorry ok stop it.
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Well i did read somewhere that being better than everyone else is a source of happiness...though there is the risk others will catch up and bring you down to earth. [i have a habit of leaving the importnt part unsaid lol] This is mainly because we just tend to measure our success by comparing with others.
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I agree mostly with the second theory you propose as the majority of us never reach that grand stage of being historical juggernauts.
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Try me.
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Everyone wants to be significant in some type of way.
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Not all men or women seek acknowledgement ,some are quite content to live out their lives in faceless anonymity.
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StrangeDreamer wrote:

Since the comments are down on that particular episode at the moment I figured I would put it here, and have more room to work.

Why do men always seek acknowledgement?

Now another question for anyone that wants to join in. Consider yourself free to make a case for your own perspective as well if neither of these simplified versions fits how you feel.


He asks "why do men seek acknowledgement?", and then phrases it as one of those pompous "Essay-question" posts, where he wants us to fill his thread with important posts.

...That about answers his own question as well as anyone. I don't know, SD, why do you?
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anzn wrote:

I honestly do think its more of a self-esteem issue.
Men are expected to succeed in life. I don't think its about making a impact or difference in the world, its about meeting peoples expectations so they can have a sense of self-worth.
Some of them actually do & some don't.
But this is what I concluded from hearing multiple perspectives of mostly guys I personally know.

I, as a female however, wanna make a difference & possibly an impact among people. I'm not normally expected to do that. I may get people to try to discourage me (they just make me wanna try even harder tbh) but yeah compared to men, I'm not normally expected in to becoming successful.


I agree fully with Anzn on this. I know growing up my friends and I were always looking for approval of our peers, our GFs/BFs, our families, our friends, our older class idols, etc. While we eventually learned we only had to please ourselves we often found ourselves "worth very little" in our own eyes (despite what others told us); so, we only tried harder. Anzn is also right on the money about it being both a guy/girl, man/woman thing. I know lots of female workaholics trying to make the most of their lives too.
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Do you hate men or something?

Most people seek acknowledgement of some kind. Awards are acknowledgement. Good grades are an acknowledgement of hard work or intelligence. Someone telling you "good job" is an acknowledgement of a job well done... or sarcasm. Do people get dressed up and go out to have someone tell them that they look like garbage? No... they want someone to acknowledge that they look good. There are many different ways to be acknowledged and many different reasons for the acknowledgements.

This thread... you want people to acknowledge your view and you hope that it has some impact on people reading it.

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you pretty much have to be an outlier and stick out like a sore thumb if you wanna do something grand and/or be really really lucky. Most of those that remain in the history books, that are memorable, are the people who made discoveries, like Sir Issac Newton or the founders of Countries like George Washington.
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