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To address the topic itself...

1. Some people are bad. (assumption)
2. Kids are people. (assumption)
3. Some kids are bad. (conclusion)

As for why some people are bad, the answer to that is deep and depends heavily on your definition of "bad".

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To address some of the points brought up later in this topic...

I can agree that people are born amoral, considering a person who was just born doesn't even know what a moral is. However, the belief that someone who is amoral will always act in a manner that is self-serving implies that altruism cannot be instinctual.

Also, this idea that morality cannot be achieved without good parents that can teach it to you is analogous to the cosmological argument. There has to be some other type of conditioning that can lead a person to develop a system of morals. Otherwise, morals would likely have never been developed in the first place, and human beings would always be at risk of losing them forever.
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It depends on the parent.

Also...


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pirththee wrote:

The ban has been lifted.So now that you've been rehabilitated, is this post an act of contrition or defiance?


Oh, it's defiance--The career troll thinks "Hey, I fooled 'em once, I can fool others again!"
Ie., that even if the old guard who already know his act can out him in a second, there's plenty of new blood on the group who doesn't know yet, and will leap at the first controversial thread like a bigmouth bass!
Like the standup comic he thinks he is, he believes there's always the next gig.

(And given that Sil was troll-busted back on the first page, and we're now on the fourth....)


Mind explaining what the hell your talking about?

I think all of you are taking me just a little too seriously. Like your making conspiracy theories about me. But hey, it's nice knowing I'm so cool people would actually take the time to think that deeply about me.


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The ban has been lifted.So now that you've been rehabilitated, is this post an act of contrition or defiance?It's been my experience that people that have all the answers about raising children have more over generalized colloquial preconceptions than answers.Treating and defining all children as an amoral, (whatever that means),generality is absurd .


Children aren't all amoral because they're taught not to be by parents if they have good ones.
Amoral means "without morality". that should be simple by combining the prefix and root word.

My point is that if children weren't conditioned to have morality, they'd all be amoral


Morality as defined by what or whom?The noble savage in the state of grace?There isn't a universal acceptance or definition for the term morality therefore that premise is flawed.
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pirththee wrote:

Morality as defined by what or whom?The noble savage in the state of grace?There isn't a universal acceptance or definition for the term morality therefore that premise is flawed.


An individual can define their own sense of right and wrong. I just think children have to be taught that, or else they'll be unable to understand.
Amoral person=Person that has no sense of morality

Whether you go by a standard definition of morality that the whole of society produces, or your religion, or your own idea of morality you create. Someone who is amoral doesn't have any of those... it's really simple
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silversongwriter wrote:


pirththee wrote:

Morality as defined by what or whom?The noble savage in the state of grace?There isn't a universal acceptance or definition for the term morality therefore that premise is flawed.


An individual can define their own sense of right and wrong. I just think children have to be taught that, or else they'll be unable to understand.
Amoral person=Person that has no sense of morality

Whether you go by a standard definition of morality that the whole of society produces, or your religion, or your own idea of morality you create. Someone who is amoral doesn't have any of those... it's really simple


If your definition of morality encompasses such a large interpretive base then what you consider amoral could be well within the constructs of another's interpreted morality .You've presumed a universality of acceptance while ignoring your own bias.It's really simple.
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pirththee wrote:


silversongwriter wrote:


pirththee wrote:

Morality as defined by what or whom?The noble savage in the state of grace?There isn't a universal acceptance or definition for the term morality therefore that premise is flawed.


An individual can define their own sense of right and wrong. I just think children have to be taught that, or else they'll be unable to understand.
Amoral person=Person that has no sense of morality

Whether you go by a standard definition of morality that the whole of society produces, or your religion, or your own idea of morality you create. Someone who is amoral doesn't have any of those... it's really simple


If your definition of morality encompasses such a large interpretive base then what you consider amoral could be well within the constructs of another's interpreted morality .You've presumed a universality of acceptance while ignoring your own bias.It's really simple.


But the question is, can one interpret morality without being predisposed to it?
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silversongwriter wrote:


pirththee wrote:


silversongwriter wrote:


pirththee wrote:

Morality as defined by what or whom?The noble savage in the state of grace?There isn't a universal acceptance or definition for the term morality therefore that premise is flawed.


An individual can define their own sense of right and wrong. I just think children have to be taught that, or else they'll be unable to understand.
Amoral person=Person that has no sense of morality

Whether you go by a standard definition of morality that the whole of society produces, or your religion, or your own idea of morality you create. Someone who is amoral doesn't have any of those... it's really simple


If your definition of morality encompasses such a large interpretive base then what you consider amoral could be well within the constructs of another's interpreted morality .You've presumed a universality of acceptance while ignoring your own bias.It's really simple.


But the question is, can one interpret morality without being predisposed to it?


Unlikely ,unless you possess two separate consciousness that act independently and without knowledge of the other's existence. The closest I've ever came to this is those buttons in high school.The very act of interpretation predisposes a bias and an endorsement..
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Most guys act tough and obnoxious when they are in a group.
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Idk why they r bad. All I know is that could change!
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Terrible parenting.

Sometimes kids are just massive cunts.
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- Poor parental guidance
- Being neglected
- Having no discipline
- Basically shitty parenting

It really mostly depends on how the kids parents treat their child.

(No offence OP but it seems like you think too hard on simple things like these.)
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Children are never bad. Their behavior are bad.
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Hmm...lots of comments on here about parents; I can't say that's totally inaccurate, because parents obviously shape a kid's life early on. Garbage in, garbage out, so to speak. However, if you look throughout history, there are many cases where kids came from good families, good parents, and a stable home and went on to commit horrendous crimes, even at a young age.

Some of it is probably mental health issues; some could be brought on by stress or bullying, and/or peer pressure. Sometimes it just defies logic. Perhaps we'll never know.
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It's a matter of nature verses nurture.

Some children are naturally inclined to being calm, patient and understanding.
While some tend to be more rash and selfish.
These tendencies and inclinations are what we know as personalities. And they appear very early in childhood development.

While infants may perhaps be amoral at birth. You're forgetting that children are capable of learning and forming their own senses of belief and morality. It does not necessarily have to come from parents, there are plenty of outside sources a child could use. As well as forming their own logical conclusions.
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It is mostly parents. Kids are born a blank slate basically. You mold them.

I genuinely want to smack parents sometimes. They hand their kid an iPhone and tell them to be quiet so they can sit on their phone too. Put the damn phone down and parent why dont you.

And don't get me started on anti-Vaxxers, or people who dont give their kids medicine. You do this, you need to be imprisoned. Simple as that.
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