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LONGNAMEYOUWONTMISS wrote:

Make them US citizens if they have no criminal past (that doesn't include being illegals). Done. A majority of Americans support this.


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Unify Central America and South America with the US, become The Great United American Commonwealth, no more illegal immigrants ever again.
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pirththee wrote:


Couldn't agree more with some of what you said ,but if this "Roddenberry future "has me beaming down in a red shirt then you can count me out.


Such nerd xD.


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mordant221 wrote:

Unless you're a Native American, you can't really talk shit about illegal immigrants. They aren't causing genocides or enslaving entire races, they are doing shit jobs for low pay. Besides, getting tougher on illegal immigration isn't going to stop crime, especially the cartels, it'll just make the lives of innocent people who simply need a job much more difficult than it should be.


I am and I don't like them.

I really wish people would stop this whole "unless your native American, you can't say shit" thing too. I get that a lot from people who enjoy sitting on my god damned land as well. Just because my family before lived there doesn't mean I can enter your home and eat your hot pockets just because.

If people want to work in the US, they can stand in line and get a visa. There are so many legal ways to work in the USA.
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mordant221 wrote:

Unless you're a Native American, you can't really talk shit about illegal immigrants. They aren't causing genocides or enslaving entire races, they are doing shit jobs for low pay. Besides, getting tougher on illegal immigration isn't going to stop crime, especially the cartels, it'll just make the lives of innocent people who simply need a job much more difficult than it should be.


I am and I don't like them.

I really wish people would stop this whole "unless your native American, you can't say shit" thing too. I get that a lot from people who enjoy sitting on my god damned land as well. Just because my family before lived there doesn't mean I can enter your home and eat your hot pockets just because.

If people want to work in the US, they can stand in line and get a visa. There are so many legal ways to work in the USA.


This guy said it.
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Make them tax paying citizens and make it easier in the future to immigrate legally. Seriously, the US is what it is because of immigrants from other places coming to live here. I find the increasing xenophobia to be ridiculous. What successful person in the history of the US wasn't from another country or who's family didn't come from another country.

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”

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Aethix0 wrote:

Accommodating illegal immigrants is a slap in the face to all the people who immigrated here legally and even more so to the people who are currently in the process of immigrating legally. There are a lot of people who want to come here, so why the hell should we prioritize the people who spit on our laws over the people who put in the effort, follow the rules, and wait in line to come here legally? That it is completely unreasonable!

Furthermore, illegal immigrants hurt low-class blue-collar workers who live in the country and have families here. They work for less, so they devalue the blue-collar job market. So if you support illegal immigrants, you stand directly against our poorest citizens who are already here.


I'm a blue collar worker .Why are you referring to blue collar workers as low class?Has the US adopted a caste system while I've been toiling as a member of the "great unwashed"? It's gratifying to see that you want to be an advocate for blue collar workers.Maybe now you could become an advocate for the much maligned 1% .They could really use your support.
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I just had an Odd Bodkins flashback for some reason.
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Aethix0 wrote:

Accommodating illegal immigrants is a slap in the face to all the people who immigrated here legally and even more so to the people who are currently in the process of immigrating legally. There are a lot of people who want to come here, so why the hell should we prioritize the people who spit on our laws over the people who put in the effort, follow the rules, and wait in line to come here legally? That it is completely unreasonable!

Furthermore, illegal immigrants hurt low-class blue-collar workers who live in the country and have families here. They work for less, so they devalue the blue-collar job market. So if you support illegal immigrants, you stand directly against our poorest citizens who are already here.


I'm a blue collar worker .Why are you referring to blue collar workers as low class?Has the US adopted a caste system while I've been toiling as a member of the "great unwashed"? It's gratifying to see that you want to be an advocate for blue collar workers.Maybe now you could become an advocate for the much maligned 1% .They could really use your support.


You need to read that again. He's right, once I worked for a Dutch multi-national, that really enjoyed hiring, shall we say, less than legal employees in the states. It was fun when ICE and OSHA raided the place let me tell you.

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I think illegal immigration is a slap in the face to those who came to America legally. We should reinforce and secure our borders.


Absolutely correct, the borders need to be better secured and what people don't understand is the US can't accept everyone at once. There is a limit to resources and space. If i'm not mistake the limit is about 500,000 per year with 70000 for refugee status.
When my aunt became a citizen it took her 10 years to manage the mountain of paperwork so I support reform but she did everything legally.
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I think this is kind of a sensitive issue to a lot of people but, I think the US government should take this problem more seriously. If the rules are not clear there will be lots of problems concerning with not only deportation but also terrorism.
Obama is not doing the right thing, he is not proposing solutions to this matter.
What do you think the US government should do with this issue?


I'm absolutely certain that the government takes the immigration problem seriously precisely because of how they handle it. Obama pushes the DREAM act while locking up more migrants than ever to try and make political points wherever he can. Rick Perry brings out the national guard. They take it seriously because they listen to their constitutents.

Of course the biggest problem getting in the way of dealing with immigration in any sane fashion is all of us in the voting public. We love to scare ourselves with stories of boogeymen like drug dealers and terrorists invading our country but conveniently put all that aside when we have some gardening that needs to be done or find ourselves in the market for a cheap housekeeper. We make lots of noise about policing the borders, but the vigilance somehow drops the moment we need to find someone to pick our lettuce or our strawberries. We let xenophobes raise all sorts of scare stories about people streaming in from Mexico but give them a wink and a nod once they get as far as a meat packing plant, or a field come harvest time.

So I think American politicians are merely giving what the public is asking for.
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pirththee wrote:


Aethix0 wrote:

Accommodating illegal immigrants is a slap in the face to all the people who immigrated here legally and even more so to the people who are currently in the process of immigrating legally. There are a lot of people who want to come here, so why the hell should we prioritize the people who spit on our laws over the people who put in the effort, follow the rules, and wait in line to come here legally? That it is completely unreasonable!

Furthermore, illegal immigrants hurt low-class blue-collar workers who live in the country and have families here. They work for less, so they devalue the blue-collar job market. So if you support illegal immigrants, you stand directly against our poorest citizens who are already here.


I'm a blue collar worker .Why are you referring to blue collar workers as low class?Has the US adopted a caste system while I've been toiling as a member of the "great unwashed"? It's gratifying to see that you want to be an advocate for blue collar workers.Maybe now you could become an advocate for the much maligned 1% .They could really use your support.


You need to read that again. He's right, once I worked for a Dutch multi-national, that really enjoyed hiring, shall we say, less than legal employees in the states. It was fun when ICE and OSHA raided the place let me tell you.



I'm glad you brought that up.I worked for a multinational union shop in the early 80's that brought in undocumented workers to break the union.It did.I worked in another union shop in the late 80's that did the same thing ,with the same results.This was all done with the blessing of the then current administration in order to break those nasty unions.I don't blame the workers for the tactics employed by those in power .Accusing the poorest people with the least power of causing the problem is ludicrous. The people that arrived in the 80's (in my area) are now mainly citizens, on the third generation, and aren't going to vote to send grandma back.It's now become a moot point.If you read my original comment you can see that I was referring to the characterization applied to blue collar workers and not what was being said about undocumented workers.Since you brought it up, I couldn't help giving you , and with respect ,the benefit of my experience and p.o.v .in the work place.
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I think the bigger issue is why they're coming in the first place. If you look at demographic trends, most immigration to the United States through the 1800's up to about the mid 1950's was predominantly from Europe, Norway, Sweden, Finland, etc. It was only in the latter part of the 1900's that immigration from South America and Mexico rose, in response to the need for workers willing to do tasks Americans didn't want to, such as long hours of field work.

Additionally, with a declining rural birth rate, farmers still needed people to work, and without children to help they turned again to who would do the work. On a dairy farm, you can expect to work anywhere between 12-14 hours a day, every day of the year (cows don't stop for weekends or holidays), in any kind of weather. For your efforts, you can expect to make about $30,000 per year if you're hired help. There's just not enough people willing to do that work for that price.

Supply and demand kicks in, and labor comes in response to demand. If you want to reduce demand, consume less or offer up your services.
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I'm not allowed to have an opinion about a serious discussion now



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Illegal immigrants rob those who try to come here legally. It's called illegal immigration for a reason. And it's not just immigrants from Mexico, but California has a problem with Chinese women coming here in falsified visas (among other things as well, that liberal stronghold of a state), pregnant, and having kids here. The feds busted an apartment complex filled with like a few thousand of them. What's so bad about that? Since they were born here they become US citizens and are registers as such. Exempt children of illegals from becoming US citizens, as well as step up efforts of deportation and prevention. The border patrol is so underfunded that Texas had to order the National Guard to do what they can't. It's a serious issue, not a simple one to fix, and people don't understand that.
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