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What am I suppose to think about them?!
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what do i think?
i think i used to live in yuma, az, just a stones throw from the border. i knew alot of illegals. generally, they are hard working people who do jobs most americans will not do at current pay rates. mostly i'm talking about mexican. cant speak for others. but if they dont have a job, most will invent one. cutting grass, selling food, trading shoes, fixing playstations, whatever.
if you came here from across the border in yuma, you are willing to die for this chance, the weather kills many, so remember that when you talk about 'solving' the illegal problem. a tighter border will not work unless your willing to go Berlin style.
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Unless you're a Native American, you can't really talk shit about illegal immigrants. They aren't causing genocides or enslaving entire races, they are doing shit jobs for low pay. Besides, getting tougher on illegal immigration isn't going to stop crime, especially the cartels, it'll just make the lives of innocent people who simply need a job much more difficult than it should be.


over two hundred years ago, it amazes me that there are people like you who actually think that is a valid argument. it is not, as shitty as the past was it is over and done with, the is our country and our home now 200 YEARS LATER. They need their asses deported without waiting.

You have to come into this country the right way, it is just how it is done and by doing so illegally you are just screwing not only the citizens but those who are trying to do it the right way.

Yes it is shitty where they live and that is why they do it, but it is shitty everywhere and you still have to follow the laws.


My girlfriend lives in Indonesia, and we will get her over here the right way and not by making her and I criminals.
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mordant221 wrote:

Unless you're a Native American, you can't really talk shit about illegal immigrants. They aren't causing genocides or enslaving entire races, they are doing shit jobs for low pay. Besides, getting tougher on illegal immigration isn't going to stop crime, especially the cartels, it'll just make the lives of innocent people who simply need a job much more difficult than it should be.


over two hundred years ago, it amazes me that there are people like you who actually think that is a valid argument. it is not, as shitty as the past was it is over and done with, the is our country and our home now 200 YEARS LATER. They need their asses deported without waiting.

You have to come into this country the right way, it is just how it is done and by doing so illegally you are just screwing not only the citizens but those who are trying to do it the right way.

Yes it is shitty where they live and that is why they do it, but it is shitty everywhere and you still have to follow the laws.


My girlfriend lives in Indonesia, and we will get her over here the right way and not by making her and I criminals.


????? You have no idea how ignorant you sound. History will always be a valid argument, to say otherwise would allow such hypocritical statements such as yours to arise and past mistakes to regress. I am a citizen, born and raised in California, when i see an immigrant trying to make a life by picking oranges or mowing lawns i don't go "OMG THAT ILLEGAL IS TAKING MY JOB! ITS A SLAP TO MY FACE HOW DARE HE/SHE TRY TO WORK HARD TO BETTER THEIR LIVES AND PROVIDE FOR THEIR FAMILIES!?!?" instead i respect them for doing the jobs that others simply don't want to do. I don't think you should allow just anyone to come in here, but come on deport them? If your girlfriend was right here without a visa would you go to Border Patrol and be like " HEY MY GIRLFIRENDS VISA EXPIRED CAN U SEND HER BACK PLZ?!?!I LOVE HER SO MUCH BUT ITS A SLAP TO ALL THE OTHER CITIZENS AND LEGAL IMMIGRANTS HERE SO ITS ONLY RITE!" Geez man, use your brain, the only reason immigration has a become a topic of debate was because politicians needed a lightning rod to blame the economy on and hide ambitious capitalistic ties to other nations. Its simple as that.
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There is nothing wrong with wanting to better your life or the life of your family. That being said... if I go out and rob a bank I go to jail. Even if it was to feed my starving children... or to get my sick child the health care he/she needs. The reasons behind why I broke the law don't make a difference at all. I wanted a better life... they had it... and I took it. Wasn't even their money... what do they care? So those types of arguments don't hold much water. Unless you mean to point out some hypocrisy of the system. If you're a citizen go to jail... if you're not then run home and come back with a different name.

Wages are down thanks to them and the Clintons. In the 90s there were so many jobs that employers had to compete for employees. You were actually treated better... now you're just a piece of scum... do what we say and be happy you have a job or get the eff out. Thank you NAFTA and people who will take jobs for shit wages.

I have seen people here call the elderly bitter and useless... disgusting by the way... they worked hard... nothing like we see today... built this world you like living in... paid into systems and were promised a measure of security for their hard work and money they paid... social security doesn't offer much security at all these days... medicare doesn't cover everything for them... they still have to pay taxes on the property they own... no real assistance with food because they "make too much"... there are many cases where those people have to choose between meds, food, or keeping the property they have. Be illegal... get medicaid... covers everything... get more food stamps than you need... get your housing paid for. We have our own lazy citizens to take care of that cheat the system.

So it can be said that illegals are taking food from the mouths of actual citizens. Citizens who want to work but can't get a living wage, in part, thanks to illegals. Citizens that worked their whole lives, didn't commit any crimes and get to watch illegals reap benefits that they can't... while they struggle and starve. Illegals shouldn't be rewarded for that. Our citizens have to struggle to accommodate them... but they can't be asked to struggle through the process of becoming legal citizens the right way. How dumb is that? No reason to be proud about being an American anymore... just go rob them blind. They're stupid.


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megahobbit wrote: We should be inviting to them and provide venues for them become citizens.


These days our borders are crossed each day by people each day that only want to better their lot in lifeIf that was the only consideration I would be all for it. Unfortunately there are not so nice people crossing our borders as well. Some smuggling very dangerous things into our
normally safe country.


mordant221 wrote:
Unless you're a Native American, you can't really talk shit about illegal immigrants. They aren't causing genocides or enslaving entire races, they are doing shit jobs for low pay. Besides, getting tougher on illegal immigration isn't going to stop crime, especially the cartels, it'll just make the lives of innocent people who simply need a job much more difficult than it should be.

]I am part Native American (Cherokee Nation and proud of it) and can talk about it. You are using a play on the meaning of words to attempt to cloud the reality of the issue. Our country is facing a level of danger worse than anything we have faced since the singing of that piece of paper declaring our freedom. There are laws that cover how to enter our country as all other countries have. I wil[l welcome any that follow the laws. Just like a friend did after finishing school.

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The moment we start making humans illegal is when we start to make no sense........


We aren't making the people illegal omly the illegal immigrants at of entering the US by other of legal means.
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Some smuggling very dangerous things into our normally safe country..


Safe? You have fucking people owning guns and killing everyone every single fucking day. Cops kill black people, black people kill black people. Safe? You country is a fucking dangerous. I'm happy with where I live.
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Ya'll are missing the big picture here. It's obvious that the simple solution is to nuke everything within US borders. Nobody comes in, nobody goes out. Americans move over to Mexico, and the combined population lives in harmony for the rest of eternity, subsisting on a steady diet of burritos and tequila.

Actually, maybe it would just be simpler to take over Mexico? Actually, I guess that wouldn't really solve the problem, because we'd complain about other immigrants. World Domination is clearly the only sensible path here. If the rest of the world doesn't like it, fuck it -- they don't know how awesome and righteous it is to be American. But we'll show 'em.


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Unify Central America and South America with the US, become The Great United American Commonwealth, no more illegal immigrants ever again.


Close, but then we'd have those filthy European, Asian, and African types here. We need to make everybody American -- it's the only way to solve the problem.
Posted 6/8/15 , edited 6/11/15

wolfbrother0 wrote:


mordant221 wrote:

Unless you're a Native American, you can't really talk shit about illegal immigrants. They aren't causing genocides or enslaving entire races, they are doing shit jobs for low pay. Besides, getting tougher on illegal immigration isn't going to stop crime, especially the cartels, it'll just make the lives of innocent people who simply need a job much more difficult than it should be.


over two hundred years ago, it amazes me that there are people like you who actually think that is a valid argument. it is not, as shitty as the past was it is over and done with, the is our country and our home now 200 YEARS LATER. They need their asses deported without waiting.

You have to come into this country the right way, it is just how it is done and by doing so illegally you are just screwing not only the citizens but those who are trying to do it the right way.

Yes it is shitty where they live and that is why they do it, but it is shitty everywhere and you still have to follow the laws.


My girlfriend lives in Indonesia, and we will get her over here the right way and not by making her and I criminals.


Or they could start doing the same as *your* people did, you know, they invaded their land and killed them off...now only a few native americans remain but nobody recognize them as the true blood americans. So, same thing could happen now, invade the country, let all illegal immigrants kill all the "legal americans" so that 200 years later this land becomes legally theirs because the past is the past so it shouldn't matter.

Let's see if you would like that....an eye for an eye.

But I have known some illegal immigrants and they are not savages as your ancestors were, they are here to work and try to give their families a better life and not to kill americans and steal their land...
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kennk5 wrote:

These days our borders are crossed each day by people each day that only want to better their lot in lifeIf that was the only consideration I would be all for it. Unfortunately there are not so nice people crossing our borders as well. Some smuggling very dangerous things into our
normally safe country.
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Most people in the drug and gun cartels are not immigrants but rather people who pass back and forth between the country. Immigrants =/= smuggler.
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mordant221 wrote:

Unless you're a Native American, you can't really talk shit about illegal immigrants. They aren't causing genocides or enslaving entire races, they are doing shit jobs for low pay. Besides, getting tougher on illegal immigration isn't going to stop crime, especially the cartels, it'll just make the lives of innocent people who simply need a job much more difficult than it should be.


I am and I don't like them.

I really wish people would stop this whole "unless your native American, you can't say shit" thing too. I get that a lot from people who enjoy sitting on my god damned land as well. Just because my family before lived there doesn't mean I can enter your home and eat your hot pockets just because.

If people want to work in the US, they can stand in line and get a visa. There are so many legal ways to work in the USA.


I didn't know you represented all Native Americans bro
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it's all racist bullshit! going after "illegal" Mexicans with a passion! But an "illegal" Canadian can enter the US illegally and start a business pay taxes and become a millionaire? Thats what happend to my former boss! I was working for an illegal!!!
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VZ68 wrote:


mordant221 wrote:

Unless you're a Native American, you can't really talk shit about illegal immigrants. They aren't causing genocides or enslaving entire races, they are doing shit jobs for low pay. Besides, getting tougher on illegal immigration isn't going to stop crime, especially the cartels, it'll just make the lives of innocent people who simply need a job much more difficult than it should be.


I am and I don't like them.

I really wish people would stop this whole "unless your native American, you can't say shit" thing too. I get that a lot from people who enjoy sitting on my god damned land as well. Just because my family before lived there doesn't mean I can enter your home and eat your hot pockets just because.

If people want to work in the US, they can stand in line and get a visa. There are so many legal ways to work in the USA.


I didn't know you represented all Native Americans bro


Did I use "I" or "we"?
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Well, immigrants is starting to make up most of the US since the white race doesn't have as high of a birth rate compared to others. Something I learned in my Econ class last semester.

But that's immigrants, not illegal ones.
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TeeBuddy2 wrote:

Well, immigrants is starting to make up most of the US since the white race doesn't have as high of a birth rate compared to others. Something I learned in my Econ class last semester.

But that's immigrants, not illegal ones.


True. Also to consider, any household around middle to upper class tends to have less children due to career goals outweighing family goals. Guess where the white people are? =/
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