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No matter how PC you try to be, the only way to avoid offending people is to lie about yourself.

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I support gay marriage, but think gays should not have civil rights protection. Since being in a same-sex relationship is a choice, I think it should be treated like one, same with smoking. You don't see smokers shouting discrimination when asked not to smoke in business's.

No matter what, gays will hate me, whether I hate them or not. Except for people like Outright Libertarians, the only LGBT organization I support


"Since being in a same-sex relationship(gay) is a choice". I can see why you might offend them tbh. I think there is a difference in saying things that might offend someone vs saying things that will definitely offend someone. Your's might be the latter, so it might not be the best comparison imo.


There are so many things wrong with what Silver just said. Please don't encourage him to keep writing. Believe me. You'll be much happier if you didn't waste your time on that troll.
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Oh I see. People like giving things fancy names to make them sound better. My high school was just a normal school but now it's apparently a "humanities college". All they did was move the classes around so literature, history and religious studies are in the same building.
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silversongwriter wrote:

No matter how PC you try to be, the only way to avoid offending people is to lie about yourself.

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I support gay marriage, but think gays should not have civil rights protection. Since being in a same-sex relationship is a choice, I think it should be treated like one, same with smoking. You don't see smokers shouting discrimination when asked not to smoke in business's.

No matter what, gays will hate me, whether I hate them or not. Except for people like Outright Libertarians, the only LGBT organization I support


so did you just seriously without a trace of irony muse that the gays are being oversensitive because you don't think their unions should have civil rights protections, as though they were undeserving of those protections? That being in a gay relationship, and thus being true to who you are, should be treated as a choice akin to using narcotics? Gee I wonder some gay people might be upset with you.

Being able to be with the person you love and expect your rights to be protected regardless of whether you and your partner having matching equipment isn't in any capacity comparable to someone making the choice to use substances. The sentiment you expressed is quite frankly riotously offensive and I'm astounded you seem unaware of that.
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KnightOfZero1991 wrote:


silversongwriter wrote:

No matter how PC you try to be, the only way to avoid offending people is to lie about yourself.

ex.
I support gay marriage, but think gays should not have civil rights protection. Since being in a same-sex relationship is a choice, I think it should be treated like one, same with smoking. You don't see smokers shouting discrimination when asked not to smoke in business's.

No matter what, gays will hate me, whether I hate them or not. Except for people like Outright Libertarians, the only LGBT organization I support


"Since being in a same-sex relationship(gay) is a choice". I can see why you might offend them tbh. I think there is a difference in saying things that might offend someone vs saying things that will definitely offend someone. Your's might be the latter, so it might not be the best comparison imo.



But being in a same sex relationship is a choice... there's no question to that. Being gay isn't a choice, but anyones relationship is undenyably a choice. So I say treat it like a choice. If you protect gays with discrimination laws, then you should do the same for smokers. Since it's "discrimination" to put up no smoking signs.

This is from Outright Libertarians... meaning there are gay people who agree with me.
"Civil rights – usually opposes both the expansion of civil rights laws to include sexual orientation or gender identity when they apply to private entities. They feel that equal opportunity legislation violates associative rights, and that hate crime laws promotes legalized discrimination against the victims of some violent crimes in favor of others"

If my opinions make me homophobic, then gay libertarians are homophobic against themselves.


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so did you just seriously without a trace of irony muse that the gays are being oversensitive because you don't think their unions should have civil rights protections, as though they were undeserving of those protections? That being in a gay relationship, and thus being true to who you are, should be treated as a choice akin to using narcotics? Gee I wonder some gay people might be upset with you.

Being able to be with the person you love and expect your rights to be protected regardless of whether you and your partner having matching equipment isn't in any capacity comparable to someone making the choice to use substances. The sentiment you expressed is quite frankly riotously offensive and I'm astounded you seem unaware of that.


But I feel the same way about religion, but no one accuses me of being an "anti-thiest". So if I can say to christians, that I don't think religion needs to be protected, without being called a hater, then the same should apply to gays
It's like my opinion on religion, which is the exact same, is somehow less offensive then my opinion on gays, which is the exact same.
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I think it affects the quality of all education when the students themselves are so intolerant and so uppity that they're focusing on political correctness in school rather than education. Of course teachers should be professional and respectful, but that is secondary to the purpose of school. People complaining about political correctness when they've grown up without having experienced any hardships worth mentioning is silly. I think it's less about how they care about the minorities and the outcasts, more about how they want to feel like good people who are smart. Proper words are less important than proper actions and fruitful results.

This generation is soft, there's no doubt about that in my mind. It will come back to bite us later on if we don't condition ourselves to have the proper mindset early on.
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silversongwriter wrote:


KnightOfZero1991 wrote:


silversongwriter wrote:

No matter how PC you try to be, the only way to avoid offending people is to lie about yourself.

ex.
I support gay marriage, but think gays should not have civil rights protection. Since being in a same-sex relationship is a choice, I think it should be treated like one, same with smoking. You don't see smokers shouting discrimination when asked not to smoke in business's.

No matter what, gays will hate me, whether I hate them or not. Except for people like Outright Libertarians, the only LGBT organization I support


"Since being in a same-sex relationship(gay) is a choice". I can see why you might offend them tbh. I think there is a difference in saying things that might offend someone vs saying things that will definitely offend someone. Your's might be the latter, so it might not be the best comparison imo.



But being in a same sex relationship is a choice... there's no question to that. Being gay isn't a choice, but anyones relationship is undenyably a choice. So I say treat it like a choice. If you protect gays with discrimination laws, then you should do the same for smokers. Since it's "discrimination" to put up no smoking signs.

This is from Outright Libertarians... meaning there are gay people who agree with me.
"Civil rights – usually opposes both the expansion of civil rights laws to include sexual orientation or gender identity when they apply to private entities. They feel that equal opportunity legislation violates associative rights, and that hate crime laws promotes legalized discrimination against the victims of some violent crimes in favor of others"

If my opinions make me homophobic, then gay libertarians are homophobic against themselves.


Fine you're homophobic, and just because members of a group espouse a certain opinion doesn't mean that opinion is suddenly correct. People WILL discriminate against homosexuals without civil rights guarantees in place, on the basis of who they are and who they choose to be with. This is not a justified stigma, and for the love of God do you even know what you sound like? It's discrimination to put up no smoking signs. there's a difference between someone lighting off a cigarette in a public place and a couple being able to go out, kiss and do whatever else a straight couple might do in public without fear of being made to leave or told they can't do so here. I mean the sheer fact you're comparing them here is revolting, really I was talking about losing faith in humanity before, well congrats you have dealt it quite the fierce blow. Just...wow...

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Liberals ruining liberal education.
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But being in a same sex relationship is a choice... there's no question to that. Being gay isn't a choice, but anyones relationship is undenyably a choice. So I say treat it like a choice. If you protect gays with discrimination laws, then you should do the same for smokers. Since it's "discrimination" to put up no smoking signs.

This is from Outright Libertarians... meaning there are gay people who agree with me.
"Civil rights – usually opposes both the expansion of civil rights laws to include sexual orientation or gender identity when they apply to private entities. They feel that equal opportunity legislation violates associative rights, and that hate crime laws promotes legalized discrimination against the victims of some violent crimes in favor of others"

If my opinions make me homophobic, then gay libertarians are homophobic against themselves.


Being straight is a choice, being gay is a choice. Therefore if you would let one target gays for being in a gay relationship, you would also have to give them the option of targeting straight people. There's you're rhetoric back to you, QQ. Anyways I don't want to catch the troll, but that comparison is absurd, the right to smoke was and will never be considered a human right, and is also undeniably posing harm to those who walk by the individual, through second hand smoke. Discrimination as a legal aspect only covers discrimination based on human rights, nothing more, nothing less. For example in Canada the list is as follows:

race
national or ethnic origin
colour
religion
age
sex
sexual orientation
marital status
family status
disability
a conviction for which a pardon has been granted or a record suspended.

And yes, you are making homophobic remarks for sure. Let's not get into gender identity though, gays can be against it as well, it might be more important to them to fight it than it is for them to have certain civil rights for their sexual orientation.

Lets end this here, this is not the time nor the place for such talk, incredibly far off topic, and rather offensive to a lot of people.



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See I'll say it "nigger" so what? Does that make me a racists, no. Everyone says it.
Say it loud and say it proud. Anyone that tells you otherwise is a fascist bully. Don't let an oppressor tell you otherwise. It's your freedumb.
Freedom of speech in the U.S.A only protects you from the government it doesn't stop other people from disagreeing,firing, getting kicked off the premises of a store or lets say banning you from a website. You can say and do whatever you want but there will always be consequences.

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I don't remember anyone dying for me to use the n-word freely. Actually, the other way around was what it was.

Free speech doesn't cover using racial epithets and expecting to get away with it.
Yes, they did. I can't go around shout the n-word without being afraid of getting shocked in the face. Where is my freedumb?


freedom of speech =\= freedom from consequences
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Fine you're homophobic, and just because members of a group espouse a certain opinion doesn't mean that opinion is suddenly correct. People WILL discriminate against homosexuals without civil rights guarantees in place, on the basis of who they are and who they choose to be with. This is not a justified stigma, and for the love of God do you even know what you sound like? It's discrimination to put up no smoking signs. there's a difference between someone lighting off a cigarette in a public place and a couple being able to go out, kiss and do whatever else a straight couple might do in public without fear of being made to leave or told they can't do so here. I mean the sheer fact you're comparing them here is revolting, really I was talking about losing faith in humanity before, well congrats you have dealt it quite the fierce blow. Just...wow...



I guess I hate Christians too... since I feel the same way about them. Since they choose to follow a religion.

You see... I see choices as choices. You see smoking as wrong, and being in a same sex relationship is okay... Well, in reality there is no "wrong" or "okay", and I don't think the government should be the judge on what lifestyle choices you can discriminate against and what ones you can't. I believe in freedom of association.
And yes, it IS discrimination to put up no smoking signs. It's just discrimination you agree with. It's discrimination to pick an apple instead of an orange. Anything is "discrimination"... and I just don't see ANYONE'S choices as something that needs to be protected

So I must be bigoted against pretty much everybody... Christians, gun owners. muslims, pot smokers, smokers, drinkers, people with tatoos, jews, all political orientations, people with slutty or offensive clothes... So why are gay people special, by your definition, I see to be bigoted against EVERYONE, even myself. I'm sure all of us have some lifestyle choices others disagree with... so I must be bigoted against the whole entire world
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I was a liberal arts major and never had any experience with this, and I only graduated a year and a half ago.
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KnightOfZero1991 wrote:

Being straight is a choice, being gay is a choice. Therefore if you would let one target gays for being in a gay relationship, you would also have to give them the option of targeting straight people.


I'm aware of that... I guess that means I'm a heterophobe too

And I think it isn't too off topic. My opinions are seen as "Hateful" even though the motivation for them has nothing to do with hate. If that's not political correctness at work, I don't know what is
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since colored people were not slave owners.


...except in the cases where they were by being the initial sellers of their PoWs.

PoWs throughout history and throughout the world have been victims of slavery or worse. It's a horrible practice.

I don't believe in blanketing guilt (or innocence) on an entire race for the atrocities of the past. I reserve equal levels of respect (or lack thereof) toward those that choose to use crude language of any sort on a contextual basis. If we give a word a meaning it should be able to be used in the same way/context by anyone with the same consequences.

If I don't want others to use a word I sure as hell won't use it myself (and there are several of those on my list.)

Generally, I dislike the attacking mentality against those with dissenting opinions.
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So...over the course of three pages this thread has transformed from a complaint that "political correctness" is running amok to the point that college professors can't even explain course material without fear of being attacked by their students to the OP expressing arguments which comport with the core rationale of what people call "political correctness": that politeness and respect are virtues, and that others should be taken into consideration when speaking or acting.

Interesting.
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deer wrote:

why do you want to say it so bad? it's a word you shouldn't be using regardless.
Why do I want to exercise my free speech so badly? Because it is my freedumb to do so.


using freedom of speech as an excuse to say your offensive spew is an old and tired way to go about things... plus you do know that "free speech" only protects the government from manhandling you if you have nasty opinions but you should know that what you say have consequences and your pissbaby ass wouldn't dare say what you say on the internet in person... if you said the n-word in person and you got kicked in the face i would have absolutely no sympathy for you
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silversongwriter wrote:

No matter how PC you try to be, the only way to avoid offending people is to lie about yourself.

ex.
I support gay marriage, but think gays should not have civil rights protection. Since being in a same-sex relationship is a choice, I think it should be treated like one, same with smoking. You don't see smokers shouting discrimination when asked not to smoke in business's.

No matter what, gays will hate me, whether I hate them or not. Except for people like Outright Libertarians, the only LGBT organization I support


you're a fucking idiot. according to your dense logic heterosexual relationships are a choice also and they shouldn't have proper rights either
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silversongwriter wrote:

No matter how PC you try to be, the only way to avoid offending people is to lie about yourself.

ex.
I support gay marriage, but think gays should not have civil rights protection. Since being in a same-sex relationship is a choice, I think it should be treated like one, same with smoking. You don't see smokers shouting discrimination when asked not to smoke in business's.

No matter what, gays will hate me, whether I hate them or not. Except for people like Outright Libertarians, the only LGBT organization I support


you're a fucking idiot. according to your dense logic heterosexual relationships are a choice also and they shouldn't have proper rights either


I think he's simply nihilistic. Nothing wrong with that but it doesn't translate well into concocting solutions for practical application to real-world problems.
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