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I want to read these posts, but on every single page there's a post from this dumpling idiot and it turns me away. Anyway to disable seeing posts from specific users?
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Anyway if one looked a bit lower they can find a pretty good response article to the piece one that doesnt place the blame on identity politics.
http://www.vox.com/2015/6/5/8736591/liberal-professor-identity
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Fuck. People have brought up freedom of speech. THIS IS NOT A FREEDOM OF SPEECH ISSUE! No government is coming down to censor these people.
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The problem with that is that some people offend others unintentionally, and too much a fuss comes out of it. Like some soldiers who have used the word "fag" while joking with friends. Often times they face harsh punishment for what is really harmless and normal behavior. However, one soldier, who probably isn't even gay, but just an SJW scumbag, decides to report it.

Now soldiers using slurs to peoples face with the purpose of offending them.. that's much, much different and is simply hate speech.


Now this point of yours, I agree with. This is potentially one of the largest takeaways with this article. It's all about balance. People don't have thick skin at all nowadays. People get offended by the slightest things, and blow things completely out of proportion. Now people are tiptoeing around, unable to express their opinion for the fear they will offend someone. Some people go overboard, but the 'social justice,' ridiculous, making people scared of expressing their opinions.
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KnightOfZero1991 wrote:


silversongwriter wrote:

The problem with that is that some people offend others unintentionally, and too much a fuss comes out of it. Like some soldiers who have used the word "fag" while joking with friends. Often times they face harsh punishment for what is really harmless and normal behavior. However, one soldier, who probably isn't even gay, but just an SJW scumbag, decides to report it.

Now soldiers using slurs to peoples face with the purpose of offending them.. that's much, much different and is simply hate speech.


Now this point of yours, I agree with. This is potentially one of the largest takeaways with this article. It's all about balance. People don't have thick skin at all nowadays. People get offended by the slightest things, and blow things completely out of proportion. Now people are tiptoeing around, unable to express their opinion for the fear they will offend someone. Some people go overboard, but the 'social justice,' ridiculous, making people scared of expressing their opinions.


It also normalizes real bigotry. I mean, if a couple of dudes joking around and saying offensive jokes is taken as seriously as real hate. Then real hatred becomes trivialized.
That's why I don't care if people call me a "bigot" anymore. The word has become so loose thanks to the politically correct society, that it's barely even a real insult. It's like ad hitlerum now.
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Setting aside the usual low hanging fruit, I'm going to attempt to comment on the core issue. It may miss the mark or be misunderstood unintentionally or possibly intentionally, but that is a risk that comes with speaking my mind.

Political correctness has become a fools errand that has come to epitomize the opposite of everything that it presents itself to be. Instead of preventing social disruption and emotional disturbance, it serves to bring oversensitivity and paranoia into situations that would have otherwise been a minor matter.
Certainly there are going to be clear and obvious situations where insult, slander, and abuse are intentionally being put forward in order to cause harm. Those situations need to be dealt with for what they are in an appropriate manner.
Unfortunately, when a person looks too hard for something they tend to see it even where it doesn't exist. That is where the concept turns easily from reasonable self-restraint to a proactive oppression of others ability to speak. This also opens an opportunity to new abuses of baseless charges to intimidate or censor those you might disagree with. Almost any day of the week it is easy to see this exact method being demonstrated in politics, press, and even casual interactions at times.

I honestly don't think it's nearly as pervasive as it gives appearance to, but the longer it is left to fester, the greater chance of blurring the vision and clarity of thought of more individuals. Still, there is one thing that seems clear to me. The social groups that are more likely to use this type of tactic are far less likely to feel the effects of it being turn back upon them, and therefore would be less likely to see it as an encumbrance when voicing their own opinions.
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ayesharocks wrote:


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I can't even say the n-word without some fascist asshole on my case. Why is everything I want to say racist?


Probably because the n-word has probably the most vile history of any word ever used.

It's not a nice word to use honestly, regardless of politics.


Not only is it not nice, but if you REALLY want to say it, then you shouldn't be white. White people cannot say this word at all due to the fact that the slave owners were white and only white. Colored people sorta can say it since colored people were not slave owners.


so who sold the black people in the first place. oh wait a min it was black people. The word its self is not racist, how you use it can be
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megahobbit wrote:

Personally I dont agree with alot of what he says but I do dislike the fact that people are know cutting out important texts (Mark Twain) out of fear of complaints.


There are apparently also kids who are demanding trigger warnings to be on the books they read for school.


And it's not limited to just the students. There was a story last year about an Iraq veteran sending threatening letters to his daughter's school because she was learning about the origins of Islam in her world history class .
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megahobbit wrote:

Anyway if one looked a bit lower they can find a pretty good response article to the piece one that doesn't place the blame on identity politics.
http://www.vox.com/2015/6/5/8736591/liberal-professor-identity


Not an expert, but going to university for years, my opinion is that you are downplaying identity politics, greatly. While the underlying issue is the economics of the situation, with lack of permanent education positions, one must still look at all the trends. The economic issue seemingly will last for the next many years to come, the direction of 'social justice,' and the impacts of this in the future look terrible. When you can nearly lose your job from discussing a topic which may or may not offend someone, we are definitely not going in the right direction. You are greatly limiting the value to be obtained from discussion if people are constantly being cut off for things that are not, 'politically correct.' One might claim paranoia on that fear, but with the stakes that high, it definitely isn't unfounded.

The goal surrounding identity politics should be one of balance. A reasonably respectful platform is what is needed, not shutting down and removing elements of speech with might deem offensive to others on no other stance than personal feelings. I personally think that taking such an extreme is inherently destructive, so we should all step back and re-evaluate this. Identity politics & the issue of political correctness is not the only, nor the primary reason, but the direction of this trend is definitely a concern.

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I think everyone whining about "political correctness" should watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQCNS4eGmuY
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It's time for "intellectually honest people," now if that doesn't make me laugh a bit. The video thrives on sensationalism and extremist examples, zero actual value. Yay fried chicken?

I think this goes back to those posts when people can pick and choose what a word means nowadays, eh? I'll use StrangeDreamer's version then since it's pretty solid.

"Political correctness has become a fools errand that has come to epitomize the opposite of everything that it presents itself to be. Instead of preventing social disruption and emotional disturbance, it serves to bring oversensitivity and paranoia into situations that would have otherwise been a minor matter. "

^ That is why the direction of the movement is a concern.
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So...over the course of three pages this thread has transformed from a complaint that "political correctness" is running amok to the point that college professors can't even explain course material without fear of being attacked by their students to the OP expressing arguments which comport with the core rationale of what people call "political correctness": that politeness and respect are virtues, and that others should be taken into consideration when speaking or acting.

Interesting.




Yes, taken into consideration.

Not mandated by an institution.
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Political correctness has value so long as it is held in moderation and applied to the proper areas. Overall, though, a society overly focused on being politically correct will see some negative consequences as a result. One of those areas is in liberal arts education, as this highlights.


ayesharocks wrote:

Not only is it not nice, but if you REALLY want to say it, then you shouldn't be white. White people cannot say this word at all due to the fact that the slave owners were white and only white. Colored people sorta can say it since colored people were not slave owners.


That's just blatantly false. Solely talking about the American history of slavery, there was a pretty decent number of non-white (many being black) slave-owners. Where did you get the idea that it was only whites who owned slaves?

There's also the fact that there has been tons of slavery throughout tons of civilizations throughout history. Slavery died down in Europe once it was effectively replaced by serfdom, but it continued to be a pretty major component to Native American and African societies before being implemented in the colonial Americas.

Also, the assault on the n-word completely ignores other words that have faced rather brutal histories. Hell, Gypsy (or gyp as the actual word used) and Welsh are both seen as fine despite being used as synonyms for forms of cheating. The Irish faced heavy persecution for quite a long time, and various names for them (including slurs, like pog/pogue) are seen as perfectly acceptable. The words "slave" and "slavery" are kind of offensive in their own right, if you think about it: the word is pulled directly from the Slavic ethnicity because they were commonly slaves. It seems a little patronizing, to me at least, for there to be such widespread disdain - even from those without any connection to the affected group - for people who use the word.

Then on top of that, it seems counterproductive to try to reclaim a word by using it, trying to reintroduce a more neutral value to it, but then barring others from using it. It only serves to strengthen the divide between races.

I really have no desire to use the word, and honestly, I don't feel like it should be used. I just find it horribly hypocritical for people to be so horribly offended by this instance of offensive language but not others and I find it maddening that people have such contradictory views forced into the same mind.

Post was a bit longer than I intended.
Posted 6/8/15 , edited 6/8/15
Edit, this might or might not help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_process_theory
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