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Former Dragon Ball editor says manga should have ended with Frieza saga
Posted 6/8/15

The first editor of the Dragon Ball manga has revealed that he thinks the franchise should have ended with the Frieza Arc. Kazuhiko Torishima, who worked closely with Akira Toriyama on the first half of the Dragon Ball manga, made the surprisingly frank comments in an interview that was recently broadcast on Japanese TV.



Kobayashi: “Dragon Ball is something of a national phenomenon now. How do you feel about [the series] now, viewing it from a distance?

Torishima: “Well…I wonder when it should end.”

Kobayashi: “Yes, it would be difficult to do a finale. Have you ever thought specifically about when it should finish?”

Torishima: “Of course, it should have ended with the Frieza Saga.”


http://en.rocketnews24.com/2015/06/08/dragon-ball-should-have-ended-with-the-frieza-saga-says-akira-toriyamas-former-editor/
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Posted 6/8/15 , edited 6/8/15
He's not wrong. Akira Toriyama could do so much more, but has constantly been restrained by the success of Dragon Ball.
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Posted 6/8/15
I seem to recall Toriyama feeling the same way.

But money is not going to print itself.
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Posted 6/8/15
I still think it would be a net loss to cut out the greater bulk of Vegeta's character development, eliminate both Android 18 and Videl entirely when if anything I'd like to have had more of them, and discard several of the most significant moments in the series. I still think it's a bad idea, though Torishima is free to think whatever he pleases.
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rcsatcrunchyroll wrote:

I seem to recall Toriyama feeling the same way.

But money is not going to print itself.


^ this
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Posted 6/8/15
I'm glad it didn't end with Frieza saga. I mean, there is a lot more BS after the Frieza saga, but watching it is still great. We get to see Gohan for SSJ2 for the first time, and that was badass, was it not? In high school, he kinda downgrades in strength and becomes more civilized, but that's just character development, no matter how much we hate it. Dragon Ball Z has its so-called "flaws", and probably doesn't compare with modern shonen plots, but that's fine. Dragon Ball Z is a simple anime, and my favorite one.
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Posted 6/9/15 , edited 6/10/15
No, after the cell .

Cell was beast.
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narutosonic330 wrote:

I'm glad it didn't end with Frieza saga. I mean, there is a lot more BS after the Frieza saga, but watching it is still great. We get to see Gohan for SSJ2 for the first time, and that was badass, was it not? In high school, he kinda downgrades in strength and becomes more civilized, but that's just character development, no matter how much we hate it. Dragon Ball Z has its so-called "flaws", and probably doesn't compare with modern shonen plots, but that's fine. Dragon Ball Z is a simple anime, and my favorite one.


Good thing, it didn't end with Frieza saga as well. I'd like to see DBZ series after Android/Cell Games saga (that's just me).
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Posted 6/9/15 , edited 6/10/15
I think that the androids shouldn’t have existed and Cell should have taken their place.
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It makes sense. Freeza was the killer of the Sayan race and was said to be the most powerful. So it makes sense that he was meant to be the final boss but the series got extended and now we are getting a new season.

But I don't think it's a bad thing either. As long as the author has the skill to continue righting without running out of ideas I don't think there is anything wrong with extending a series past it's original planned ending. He may have planned it to just be a nice little martial arts manga vaguely based on the old japanese fairy tail. But it became something more and make his name famous. It's because series like Dragon Ball evolved to become such Icons that anime is as beloved as it is today.

So even if it wasn't his intention to make the series so big it's hard to think where we would be now if it remained as he originally intended. Seriously just imagine a world where DB is just a small series from a few decades ago that a few people used to like.
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Posted 6/9/15
can some one who has read/seen this tell me if its like superman, recycled never ending plots?
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nemoskull wrote:

can some one who has read/seen this tell me if its like superman, recycled never ending plots?


Original Dragonball was the opposite of this, with short, varied arcs. DBZ, on the other hand, follows a formulaic train > fight > lose > rely on Goku > Dragonballs > repeat pattern, but that only becomes apparent if you analyze the story to break it down to is basic elements. I would hesitate to say, however, that the plot is actually recycled, since a more detailed plot description would actually bring out a great deal of variability between arcs. I don't think any two plot elements are similar enough to warrant genuine deja vu unless its an intentional callback.
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While I don't think all the stuff after the Frieza saga was bad I think it definitely would have made the most sense to end it there. Frieza was probably the most notable/important enemy to Goku as he destroyed planet Vegeta instead of just another enemy that's gonna "destroy Earth". And also Goku goes Super Saiyan to defeat him which was mentioned multiple times previously to be the strongest form a saiyan could achieve, which ends up not being the case when they add Super Saiyan 2+. So yeah him fighting Frieza who's kind of like the main villain and reaching what has been established as the most powerful form possible would have probably been the best ending.
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aux1printer wrote:

While I don't think all the stuff after the Frieza saga was bad I think it definitely would have made the most sense to end it there. Frieza was probably the most notable/important enemy to Goku as he destroyed planet Vegeta instead of just another enemy that's gonna "destroy Earth". And also Goku goes Super Saiyan to defeat him which was mentioned multiple times previously to be the strongest form a saiyan could achieve, which ends up not being the case when they add Super Saiyan 2+. So yeah him fighting Frieza who's kind of like the main villain and reaching what has been established as the most powerful form possible would have probably been the best ending.


This actually explains why in battle of the gods, they made it so that everything above SS1 is just a waste of energy.
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Posted 6/10/15 , edited 6/10/15
It should have ended with Frieza. However, stretching it to Cell wasn't all bad. It had a good set-up with Goku dead, and Gohan taking over the mantle for his father. That is the only reason I can see the Cell Saga existing. Buu Saga on the other hand, is not only terrible, but it was completely pointless. It did so very little to advance any characters or stories that it just isn't worth it.
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