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Posted 6/8/15 , edited 6/22/15

With all this buzz lately about Caitlyn Jenner, (I know I'm a bit late, but people are still talking about it) it got me thinking, I completely fail to understand how transgenderism.....works....i guess would be the word. I don't mean as far as transgender people having rights goes, I actually stand for it if you can believe it. (this is america after all, equality is supposed to be our niche).

I'm talking strictly about how going to a doctor and paying them heaps of money to slap some plastic on your body makes you a new person. There's more to being a woman than just having breasts and a vagina. Just like there's more to being a man than having a tentacle and testicles.

Pretty much what I'm trying to say is plastic surgery does not change your natural chemical makeup. It's difficult for me to believe that someone can just throw on a mask and permanently become someone else when literally everything else states otherwise. it almost feels like appeasement to me. It's like, I don't want to be vilified for thinking the way I do, so I have to play along or else I look like an asshole.

I want to support trans people, and in alot of ways I do, but it's very difficult for me to grasp the notion of transgenderism/transsexualism itself. It's hard for me to look at someone that used to be a man and say "that's a woman now" or look at someone that used to be a woman and say "that's a man now" and actually believe it. Frankly this whole ordeal has my mind going for a loop (if you couldn't already tell by this post being all over the freakin place)


Edit: Even though the title says honest thoughts there are obviously lines that should not be crossed. Bigoted remarks have no place here. If you can't say what you need to say without being ridiculously brash then don't even bother commenting. Remember, keep it respectful.

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Posted 6/8/15 , edited 6/15/15
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i kinda know how your feeling but its just how they wanna be i guess. I am gonna be honest and say how sometimes i wonder if men can think like women after changing like a mother and same goes for women turning into men.
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So far as I've come to understand it, it is simply a means of changing the external appearance to more closely match the internal.

Gender roles are deeply embedded in culture. Those gender roles are tied to sex. However, there are cases when the sex of a person does not align with their gender. These people face confusion and uncomfortableness because of this mismatched. A sex change rectifies some of the social issues they face. I imagine some people have other reasons, as well.

Not all people with gender dysphoria choose to undergo a sex change. Some don't care to have their external identity match what society dictates their internal nature should. Some don't internalize the gender-sex combination that society tends to exhibit.
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Posted 6/8/15 , edited 6/18/15
Well, aside from the surgeries, that's really not what it all is. It's feeling like you're trapped in a body. i.e., a girl trapped in a boy's body, (in Caitlyn's case) or vice versa. Or maybe even feeling somewhere inbetween or not feeling like any of the gender binaries. "Slapping on plastic", as you put it, actually can help with this, though. Gender dysphoria, is the key word here. Look it up.

But yes, the surgery might not make you who you are. For example, even if say, Laverne Cox never got the surgery and hormones necessary, because maybe she didn't desire it, but she still identifies as female. Her identity as a woman is still valid. That's a fact. Not an opinion.

I'm trans. I don't feel comfortable in my own body, being assigned female at birth. But at the same time, I don't really know if I want the surgery necessary. Because I'm still kind of exploring my gender, and I'm still not sure. And I'm content with that, honestly. I'm glad I have finally identified this feeling, and I can finally find out who I am without feeling uncomfortable about it.

I know it seems a little confusing. But. Google is a grand help for all of this. And getting input from actual trans people like m'self, of course, is great too.
Posted 6/8/15 , edited 6/17/15
It's interesting to say the least. They don't become a new person that is a delusion, they change their body yes however we are not our body. That person is still who they are regardless of a sex change or not, it changes only the appearance.

Also describing people who have sex changes as transgender is a weird use of the words based on what the prefix trans means, since they identify enough what a certain gender to "change" over to it physically thus not fitting the word.
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potentsativa wrote:

It's interesting to say the least. They don't become a new person that is a delusion, they change their body yes however we are not our body. That person is still who they are regardless of a sex change or not, it changes only the appearance.


None that I've met felt that a sex change changed who they are. Rather, they are simply more comfortable with their appearance matching their gender identity.
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As long as they don't demand that I accept them as the sex they're masquerading as, I got no issue. Really don't care what other people do with their body, or how they dress...
Just don't try to date me and I don't care.
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Schmooples wrote:Not all people with gender dysphoria choose to undergo a sex change. Some don't care to have their external identity match what society dictates their internal nature should. Some don't internalize the gender-sex combination that society tends to exhibit.


"Dysphoria" is a condition where people don't think they're the right sex. Why are we taking that as some concrete yardstick, when human beings are their own loopiest factor?
Other patients, for example, might suffer the pain of not being Napoleon, when they know in their heart they were born to be, and feel that dressing up and insisting on being treated as such, helps alleviate the pain and confusion.
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Schmooples wrote:


potentsativa wrote:

It's interesting to say the least. They don't become a new person that is a delusion, they change their body yes however we are not our body. That person is still who they are regardless of a sex change or not, it changes only the appearance.


None that I've met felt that a sex change changed who they are. Rather, they are simply more comfortable with their appearance matching their gender identity.


Fair enough, though I think that needed to be addressed since I think it's a common misconception for a good amount of people.
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Ejanss wrote:


Schmooples wrote:Not all people with gender dysphoria choose to undergo a sex change. Some don't care to have their external identity match what society dictates their internal nature should. Some don't internalize the gender-sex combination that society tends to exhibit.


"Dysphoria" is a condition where people don't think they're the right sex. Why are we taking that as some concrete yardstick, when human beings are their own loopiest factor?
Other patients, for example, might suffer the pain of not being Napoleon, when they know in their heart they were born to be, and feel that dressing up and insisting on being treated as such, helps alleviate the pain and confusion.


It pertains to gender identity, not to biological sex. Those are very different things. Gender is more of a cultural construct, but aspects of it are influenced by body chemistry (hormones and whatnot). Those are things that are not dependent on what genitals a person has.
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" Just like there's more to being a man than having a tentacle and testicles."

Umm... I don't know about you, but I'm a man, and I don't have ANY tentacles.
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silversongwriter wrote:

" Just like there's more to being a man than having a tentacle and testicles."

Umm... I don't know about you, but I'm a man, and I don't have ANY tentacles.


you know what i mean. Nature's pendulum.

I'm talkin about a penis, man!
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IShouldBeStudying wrote:


silversongwriter wrote:

" Just like there's more to being a man than having a tentacle and testicles."

Umm... I don't know about you, but I'm a man, and I don't have ANY tentacles.


you know what i mean. Nature's pendulum.

I'm talkin about a penis, man!


Oh... well, you still sent me in a feeling of gender dyphoria... maybe... maybe all men had tentacles hidden in their backs, and I was the only one who didn't. You can't begin to understand the heartache I felt.
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silversongwriter wrote:


IShouldBeStudying wrote:


silversongwriter wrote:

" Just like there's more to being a man than having a tentacle and testicles."

Umm... I don't know about you, but I'm a man, and I don't have ANY tentacles.


you know what i mean. Nature's pendulum.

I'm talkin about a penis, man!


Oh... well, you still sent me in a feeling of gender dyphoria... maybe... maybe all men had tentacles hidden in their backs, and I was the only one who didn't. You can't begin to understand the heartache I felt.


It's okay bro, men aren't identified by their tentacles
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