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In at least one case, pretty much.




Which was the deciding factor for male, head or tail?
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ishe5555 wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:



In at least one case, pretty much.




Which was the deciding factor for male, head or tail?


Well in one case it was accidentally burning the baby's penis off with a faulty circumcision machine. And with intersex persons 'corrected' with out a record... who knows?


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I find it creepy and really attribute the largest part of that to a couple really bad experiences with a trans and separate crossdresser. Very odd situations in both cases.

But on general a person's life is their own so whatever. As long as someone doesn't try to push the pronoun issue or expect me to pretend like it's right or normal. I'll treat a trans person with respect,like anyone else and tolerate their decision. I just don't accept it as normal.
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^ reminds me of the way homophobes talk about gay people.
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^This

To me transgenderism is something I do not support, but it's not something I denounce. I stick to saying I don't care because I don't. It should be a non issue really. Just like Pandrasb I find it weird, strange,different, etc. To me it's just something I cannot fully grasp the idea of. This is simply because I'm not in their shoes. I personally do not think anyone can fully grasp what an individual goes through unless they are that individual. I would respect a transgender person the same way I would treat any other person. I call Catilyn Jenner Caitlyn and refer to her as a she because well it's how she wants people to see her and I'll respect and honor that. Would I ever think of a transgender person as preferred sex? Well I don't know as I think the sex they were given would still be in the back of my mind. So yes I still think of Caitlyn as being male, but I have nothing against calling Cailtyn, Caityln or referring to her as a her.
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Honest thoughts on transgenderism?

Well I think the fact that the word is showing up as a typo is definitely indicative of something. Personally I try not to be judgemental or discriminatory, but I will admit that there are times when the cultural bias shines through. That said I do try to overcome that bias and am hopeful that one day it will be overcome.

My own, admittedly superficial, understanding is that indeed, as the OP said, "There's more to being a woman than just having breasts and a vagina. Just like there's more to being a man than having a tentacle and testicles." and as such, someone born without breasts and a vagina can in fact BE a woman and someone born without a tentacle and testicles can BE a man.
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^ reminds me of the way homophobes talk about gay people.


Phobia is a fear of, disagreement is disagreement. If you knew my family situation you'd realise how throwing an accusation like phobia is ridiculous.

Asked for honesty, got honesty even if my being honest isn't popular.
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retronatrix wrote:But on general a person's life is their own so whatever. As long as someone doesn't try to push the pronoun issue or expect me to pretend like it's right or normal. I'll treat a trans person with respect,like anyone else and tolerate their decision. I just don't accept it as normal.


Before anyone mythologizes my arguments out of relevance by officially stamping me as one of DA BULLEEZ, I'll confess "even some of my best friends" are trans, or at least one was, as my old neighbor and good friend back in my old housing development was just starting FTM.
I'll confess that most FTM's usually make real "biological" males snicker loudly with their hammy and backhandedly sexist performances of how they think "guys act" (what, you've think we've got these rules? We're making things up as we go along!), but I'd known her long enough personally not to snicker at her changing her M-name to "Mac" (pffft!...no, mustn't ), and she was also suffering from alopecia (hairlessness), so I basically had to take her at her word that she was a "he", since she couldn't grow the hair to try and develop that "leather biker bar" image that most FTM's think constitute a Male Image. (pfffttt!!!)

Moral: If you want a friendship, bad acting, fantasy worlds, Halloween costumes and hammy performances are the biggest obstacle. You'll have much more luck going natural, in which case you probably never had to do anything at all in the first place.
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If you knew my family situation you'd realise how throwing an accusation like phobia is ridiculous.
seems like this can be reflected exactly with trans people and the misuse of pronouns.
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retronatrix wrote:But on general a person's life is their own so whatever. As long as someone doesn't try to push the pronoun issue or expect me to pretend like it's right or normal. I'll treat a trans person with respect,like anyone else and tolerate their decision. I just don't accept it as normal.


Before anyone mythologizes my arguments out of relevance by officially stamping me as one of DA BULLEEZ, I'll confess "even some of my best friends" are trans, or at least one was, as my old neighbor and good friend back in my old housing development was just starting FTM.
I'll confess that most FTM's usually make real "biological" males snicker loudly with their hammy and backhandedly sexist performances of how they think "guys act", but I'd known her long enough personally not to snicker at her changing her M-name to "Mac" (pffft!...no, mustn't ), and she was also suffering from alopecia (hairlessness), so I had to take her at her word that she was a "he", since she couldn't grow the hair to try and develop that "leather biker bar" image that most FTM's think constitute a Male Image. (pfffttt!!!)

Moral: If you want a friendship, bad acting, fantasy worlds, Halloween costumes and hammy performances are the biggest obstacle. You'll have much more luck going natural, in which case you probably never had to do anything at all in the first place.


Hit the nail on the head with my experiences. My two creepy experiences were both guys trying to be women and haming it up to such a ridiculous level it was laughable, one having rage issues that went far beyond his trans issues. In both cases it came off as a cartoonish caricature of their personal expectations, not reality.

One of my father's cousin crossdresses but he never pulls the stereotype crap or the overblown attitude. He's just him in a dress.
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How does it all work? a good question because the problem is that it doesn't work, has never worked, and takes final desperate measures to make work somewhat.

Most transgendered persons I know (including myself) have felt that way since their earliest memories. Something has always been wrong. Identifying what is wrong varies from person to person. I know one butch cop raised in a small town who didn't realize he was a man at heart until meeting his first transgendered person after starting work in a big city. Others have come to the conclusion the parts aren't right during preschool. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/15/debi-jackson-transgender-child_n_5588149.html). All have known something was wrong and making them terribly unhappy.

My generation was raised with a lot of homophobia, and gender issues get thrown under the homophobia bus all the time. In order to avoid rejection and other pain I learned to put myself deep in a closet and let a male face handle the outside world. Sometimes denying there was any closet let alone anything in it.

Most of us come to acceptance of who we are late in life. There might some closet cross dressing, attempts to 'fix' oneself by pursuing stereoptypically male practices from growing a beard to entering military service. We have heard and even embraced all the rationales as to why we shouldn't exist, all the efforts to explain us away. We don't have answers that will help you wrap your head around us, If we did we probably wouldn't exist. We just are. And we are real.

Surgeries are only a small set of a much larger menu of therapies. There's hormone replacement therapy which is very transformative for transmen, increased muscle mass, facial hair, a deepening voice... it's a one way trip though and no reciprocal therapy exists to transform the testosterone poisoned. The best we can hope for is a small pair of tits and female body chemistry.

In addition to cosmetic changes like laser hair removal, There are therapies for one's voice, teaching Male to Female trans to speak with only half their voice box. There are group therapies aimed at understanding what your going through and picking a path through all your options.

I'm starting to ramble...

What I'm trying to do is create a tiny window of understanding though I doubt it will work. If we can't understand ourselves how do we pass on understanding?

Anyhow hope this helps.

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retronatrix wrote:

If you knew my family situation you'd realise how throwing an accusation like phobia is ridiculous.
seems like this can be reflected exactly with trans people and the misuse of pronouns.


I use male pronouns for men,female pronouns for women. I don't go by clothing or surgery,I go by what they're born as with the exception of actual intersexed or medical hermaphrodites because that's situations that the body and hormones have to grow in to. I've had my time being politically correct just to keep away from drama and no matter what I or someone else says there's always someone willing to keep making issues out of things.

So meh, In just going to not sugar coat things. I'm not going to be a jerk about it but I'm not going to lie about my feelings when asked. If that's a problem then oh well, not everyone agrees with everyone else.
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You're all missing the point.

Can you imagine being born into a body you feel doesn't fit you? You look in the mirror and see a mistake. It causes you to feel angry, depressed, suicidal. You can't relate. You can't emote how you feel.

You finally decide to become what you really are, and there's people who tell you that you're even more of a mistake now that you're happy. Free even. You finally realize no matter what, in the glaring eyes of the idiot society, that you are a mistake from birth to death, and even more if you're dealing with religious kooks.

It's topics like these that make me (a) ashamed of my religious orientation and (b) feel as though society has no value anymore. We're close minded, scared, sad people who eat and drink all day, destroy the Earth, and are only here to torture one another.

If we don't start realizing that this is a serious issue, and we need to allow people to be people, I see no hope for us.
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^This

To me transgenderism is something I do not support, but it's not something I denounce. I stick to saying I don't care because I don't. It should be a non issue really. Just like Pandrasb I find it weird, strange,different, etc. To me it's just something I cannot fully grasp the idea of. This is simply because I'm not in their shoes. I personally do not think anyone can fully grasp what an individual goes through unless they are that individual. I would respect a transgender person the same way I would treat any other person. I call Catilyn Jenner Caitlyn and refer to her as a she because well it's how she wants people to see her and I'll respect and honor that. Would I ever think of a transgender person as preferred sex? Well I don't know as I think the sex they were given would still be in the back of my mind. So yes I still think of Caitlyn as being male, but I have nothing against calling Cailtyn, Caityln or referring to her as a her.


that's all anyone can ask.

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You're all missing the point.

Can you imagine being born into a body you feel doesn't fit you?


Guys usually feel that way in later years once they get past 185 lbs. WE manage to live with it, frustrating non-surgical attempts to change it notwithstanding.


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^ reminds me of the way homophobes talk about gay people.


Phobia is a fear of, disagreement is disagreement. If you knew my family situation you'd realise how throwing an accusation like phobia is ridiculous.

Asked for honesty, got honesty even if my being honest isn't popular.


By an unfortunate trick of Webster's, "Phobia" can technically mean "hate/dislike", although, if you're hyperdefensive enough to create fantasy worlds where you're right and the rest of the entire world is wrong, it usually means "fear".
(Hence the joke that gay/trans are the "Star Wars nerds of sexuality": They overthink their hobby wayyy too much, they take blog photos of them dressing up in public, gather together in closed gatherings where they "understand each other" and the rest of the world doesn't, go out spoiling public stunts daring the public to speak against their sacred way of life and ridicule them, claiming "persecution" and "misunderstanding" whenever they do, demand recognition as a separate faction in our society, and then, when they get back in those private conventions again, claiming that the rest of the world is too repressed and "They PH3EER our Mad Skillz!" )

We need a less confusing term than "Phobic" to define those who simply consider them pathetic and immature without fear.
"Homo-bugged"? "Homo-annoyed"? "Homo-quit-watching-Spongebob-and-get-a-freakin'-life-already"?
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