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The population density is too high, normally at this point one tribe would split and they would go into different directions. The world doesn't work that way anymore and our social conditioning is far too weak to go up against nature; that's why we have government redirecting resources and if that ain't efficient enough, vote for a better one or go medieval on it's arse.
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Just depends on the person. Not everyone in the world is a complete selfish jerkoff.
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silversongwriter wrote:There's nothing wrong with having a code of morality or religion or holding onto values, unless you're a radical.


Saying that makes you a hypocrite.

Anyway, you assume self interest is at the core of everything. If self interest is at the core then what does it really matter whether or not we do things for ourselves or others? They're both just a means to that end of self interest.
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If it doesn't involve them, no one cares about anything. Sadly. There's exceptions obviously but norm doesn't care so long as they go on their phone and watch House...

You got shot? Thank God it wasn't me! Too bad
Your little brother died? Thank God it wasn't mine! Too bad
You have cancer? Thank God it isn't me! Too bad
You lost your job, wife, house, and kids? Thank God it wasn't me! Too bad


I know 99.9% of the time people pretend to feel bad when in reality, they don't care at all . It's probably just human nature.

Once you realize this, it's not that hard to just move on and live your life.
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What are "core values"?Are "core values" like "common knowledge" a symptom of the hopelessly culture bound. Selfless or selfish?A society can be selfish by using more resources than it needs without an individuals consent.In fact the need for consent could be construed as a bias translation favoring the Christian self determination or choice sacrificing fate.


megahobbit wrote:
Rands philosophy was against all such things. If you think it needs to be modernised and softened know remember she wrote her books in the 50s.


Yup and then collected her dead husbands SSI.

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I see selfishness like I see jealousy or other things.

At times it's called for and depending on situations can be a good thing. So long as it's in small doses I don't see why one shouldn't exhibit these behaviors.

I can throw out two examples to clarify:

Someone who is a "yes" person (always says yes, too nice for their own good) tends to get walked all over because they're too busy catering to everyone elses needs over their own. Being a little selfish from time to time would be a good thing to enjoy yourself.

Someone who is in a relationship might get jealous of some attention their significant other is getting in a certain situation. This can cause them to get protective and can be seen as caring. (obviously it isn't always like this 100% of the time)

A little bit is a okay as long as you don't go too crazy. Less is more as they say.
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Animegirlzvstheworld wrote:
What can I say?

This guy, I just...

I can't say it, I just can't.


Remember when he asked, "What do people think of me? (picture of Dick Dastardly)"?

I wanted to answer, but I couldn't find a picture of Andy Kaufman as Tony Clifton.
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Selfishness is a basic human instinct really. It's a natural survival instinct to look out for yourself before others. Not to mention it's hard to be generous when being kind to people doesn't seem to get you anywhere these days.
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Tethealla wrote:


silversongwriter wrote:There's nothing wrong with having a code of morality or religion or holding onto values, unless you're a radical.


Saying that makes you a hypocrite.

Anyway, you assume self interest is at the core of everything. If self interest is at the core then what does it really matter whether or not we do things for ourselves or others? They're both just a means to that end of self interest.


Yea... it is serving self interests. However, if helping others were part of peoples self-interests, then the world would be a much better place. To truly have than ingrained within you can make you a joyful giver, and not just someone who gives out of the sake of societal expectations of pressure.
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Greed or envy is not necessarily bad, but it's what you are willing to do to attain those things like wealth and what others have. And how does that desire affect your life. For most people it's mostly a negative effect.

I think we all need to be selfish to a degree to get what we want and its impossible to be completely altruistic. Shinichi and Migi dropped knowledge on this lol
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Posted 6/10/15 , edited 6/10/15

Ejanss wrote:


Animegirlzvstheworld wrote:
What can I say?

This guy, I just...

I can't say it, I just can't.


Remember when he asked, "What do people think of me? (picture of Dick Dastardly)"?

I wanted to answer, but I couldn't find a picture of Andy Kaufman as Tony Clifton.




Well, maybe you should get a pic of Mel Gibson or Henry Kissinger.


Hell, I'll share you a pic of Joffery if you want.

Or Ed Gein.
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Animegirlzvstheworld wrote:


Ejanss wrote:


Animegirlzvstheworld wrote:
What can I say?

This guy, I just...

I can't say it, I just can't.


Remember when he asked, "What do people think of me? (picture of Dick Dastardly)"?

I wanted to answer, but I couldn't find a picture of Andy Kaufman as Tony Clifton.


Well, maybe you should get a pic of Mel Gibson or Henry Kissinger.

Or Ed Gein.


Huh?? They're not pathetically failed standup comics (from a performer gratingly in love with his own stage presence)!
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Posted 6/10/15 , edited 6/10/15

Ejanss wrote:


Animegirlzvstheworld wrote:


Ejanss wrote:


Animegirlzvstheworld wrote:
What can I say?

This guy, I just...

I can't say it, I just can't.


Remember when he asked, "What do people think of me? (picture of Dick Dastardly)"?

I wanted to answer, but I couldn't find a picture of Andy Kaufman as Tony Clifton.


Well, maybe you should get a pic of Mel Gibson or Henry Kissinger.

Or Ed Gein.


Huh?? They're not pathetically failed standup comics (from a performer gratingly in love with his own stage presence)!




They are psychos, though. (Maybe not Kissinger)

Maybe Pee-wee Herman?
Posted 6/10/15
Looking down on people goes a long way. I find that most people want you to show them some contempt. They would slowly try to please you or catch your attention in any way they can... Although, mostly they'd try and not look too obvious about it. You'll find some would pretend to hate you but deep down they really want your approval. At your time of choosing, you may want to exploit this power.

I'm kidding
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Animegirlzvstheworld wrote:


Ejanss wrote:


Animegirlzvstheworld wrote:


Ejanss wrote:Remember when he asked, "What do people think of me? (picture of Dick Dastardly)"?

I wanted to answer, but I couldn't find a picture of Andy Kaufman as Tony Clifton.


Well, maybe you should get a pic of Mel Gibson or Henry Kissinger.

Or Ed Gein.


Huh?? They're not pathetically failed standup comics (from a performer gratingly in love with his own stage presence)!


Maybe Pee-wee Herman?


Erm.....only in the public-masturbatory sense.
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