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Let's say a character you don't like dies, and artistically, musically and in terms of writing, the death scene was done extrodinarilly well. Would you still feel bad for the character?
Do you need to feel attached to a character or can the artistic direction of the death scene make you emotional in of itself.

For me the answer would be no most of the time, however, Clannad After Story worked, even though I don't consider Nagisa a very good character, the show knew how to handle tone.
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Dying is the best way to make you OP.

And Clannad AS is a giant troll.
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No. What causes a character to be engaging in any sense of the word is depth. This goes for 'good' or 'evil' characters. Ultimately if they're a shallow representation of what a person acts like, then it's impossible to have any meaningful emotional interaction with them. This is why some shows, when killing off cast come off as so forced and boring. Remember, engaging characters are better than creating static good or evil characters.
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Well, if we look in terms of my favorite anime: Another. I never liked how people were attacking Mei Misaki because god I love her. Yet I still felt bad for them dying even if they were crazy.

Good anime by the way, you would love it if you haven't seen it.

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I think when the writers give characters back stories and even the so called (bad guys) with character development it makes the story great.
When they give more than one point of view for example-Equarion Evol it was easy at first to see good guys and bad guys until you visited the bad guys planet and see how bleak everything is and basically they were fighting to survival and not become extinct.
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If I dislike the character for the right reasons, then yes. If not, it will fail to move me.

Sometimes it is not that cut and dry however, there are some characters that I feel ambivalent towards, In that situation, I will probably be moved if the scene is done well.
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No, they have to be interest enough to be hated and loved at the same time. A good example is Code Geass, where
who dies get a good death scene and gets to be remember as a good guy, even if he did something that made me hate him.
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Probably not. No matter how well it was done, if this annoying bitch died I'd throw a party:



Has the least sad past and the most comfortable life out of all the characters. Complains and cries the most. What the hell? Grow up! -_-
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This is the stuff the "Alas, Poor Villain" trope is made of.
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A character doesn't necessarily have to be good for me to feel sad at their death scene. However most are good.

The reason is that evil characters rarely form strong connections. There are many exceptions to this, but it still is a rarity. Evil characters usually keep themselves isolated. It's not the character's death itself that makes us feel sad, but rather the character's death's effect on the people that character left behind.

The Older Brother / Father / Mentor character is probably the one that hits the hardest for me. I cried during Rocky 3 when Rocky was remembering Mickey, it still makes me tear up thinking about it. Shonen animes love to use this death. Hunter x Hunter did it, One Piece did it, Naruto did it... I think DBZ is the only one that didn't do it.
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xxJing wrote:

A character doesn't necessarily have to be good for me to feel sad at their death scene. However most are good.

The reason is that evil characters rarely form strong connections. There are many exceptions to this, but it still is a rarity. Evil characters usually keep themselves isolated. It's not the character's death itself that makes us feel sad, but rather the character's death's effect on the people that character left behind.

The Older Brother / Father / Mentor character is probably the one that hits the hardest for me. I cried during Rocky 3 when Rocky was remembering Mickey, it still makes me tear up thinking about it. Shonen animes love to use this death. Hunter x Hunter did it, One Piece did it, Naruto did it... I think DBZ is the only one that didn't do it.


DBZ did it all the time. It's just that when people died, they got better.
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xxJing wrote:

A character doesn't necessarily have to be good for me to feel sad at their death scene. However most are good.

The reason is that evil characters rarely form strong connections. There are many exceptions to this, but it still is a rarity. Evil characters usually keep themselves isolated. It's not the character's death itself that makes us feel sad, but rather the character's death's effect on the people that character left behind.

The Older Brother / Father / Mentor character is probably the one that hits the hardest for me. I cried during Rocky 3 when Rocky was remembering Mickey, it still makes me tear up thinking about it. Shonen animes love to use this death. Hunter x Hunter did it, One Piece did it, Naruto did it... I think DBZ is the only one that didn't do it.


Well, in the DBZ universe death isn't really as much a permanent consequence for decisions as it is a mild inconvenience which can be resolved in about a year. Even less if you cheat and go to Namek to double dip. I wonder, though: do any of Piccolo's deaths count? He was Gohan's mentor, after all. Goku doesn't have this going on since his master is held together by a potent combination of lust and a magic elixir, but Gohan loses his beloved mentor multiple times.
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BlueOni wrote:


xxJing wrote:

A character doesn't necessarily have to be good for me to feel sad at their death scene. However most are good.

The reason is that evil characters rarely form strong connections. There are many exceptions to this, but it still is a rarity. Evil characters usually keep themselves isolated. It's not the character's death itself that makes us feel sad, but rather the character's death's effect on the people that character left behind.

The Older Brother / Father / Mentor character is probably the one that hits the hardest for me. I cried during Rocky 3 when Rocky was remembering Mickey, it still makes me tear up thinking about it. Shonen animes love to use this death. Hunter x Hunter did it, One Piece did it, Naruto did it... I think DBZ is the only one that didn't do it.


Well, in the DBZ universe death isn't really as much a permanent consequence for decisions as it is a mild inconvenience which can be resolved in about a year. Even less if you cheat and go to Namek to double dip. I wonder, though: do any of Piccolo's deaths count? He was Gohan's mentor, after all. Goku doesn't have this going on since his master is held together by a potent combination of lust and a magic elixir, but Gohan loses his beloved mentor multiple times.


Well I suppose then every Shonen does it.

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xxJing wrote:

Well I suppose then every Shonen does it.


I don't think any masters died in Kenichi the Mightiest Disciple, so you may have just picked the wrong one. Either way it's an event which fits neatly into action series' plot lines, and because it's so visceral, so basic, and so emotionally gripping it's unsurprising that it would be very common. I can get attached to characters pretty easily, so it often works for me. I know just what you mean about those sort of deaths, memory sequences, and revenge fights being compelling.
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