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I'm no philosopher but this question was always in my head:

If my loved one were to go to hell, can I accept going to heaven?

Because of this question, I cannot bring myself to believe in god. For people that do believe in god, I feel like they their religion as a source for comfort when they do not have the ability to do something or use it as their moral standard. I don't criticize people for believing though.
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Am I the only apatheist here (not considering the fact that I'm a cat)? (•ิ_•ิ)?
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All right, I think about this kind of stuff a lot.

As Mr. Neil deGrasse Tyson thought, I also think that associating my beliefs with any particular group is a bad idea. The closest thing I could be labeled is agnostic.

I would simply rather not take any sides for an argument that we can not definitively know the answer to. It is up to the person to decide what they believe. One of the things I will say is that I find the argument between atheists and theists ridiculous. They cover entirely different topics. Also, the people that have no idea what they're talking about decide to jump into the picture, which is extremely frustrating. It ends up looking a bit like this when that happens: "I'm atheist! Your ideas are stupid!" "I'm religious! God exists, and you are a fool for not thinking that!"
You get the idea.

As for myself, I take comfort in standing on the sidelines of an opinionated, unanswerable debate. However, I still have several concepts against each side. Religions are made up of very common traits. Some of them operate on punishment, a human fear. And science is a human system, therefore it has flaws.

Science and religion are in many ways separate. Some people even consider religion as a way of life more than anything else. Instead of characterizing religion and science based on people, I like to organize them via their actual concepts.

Science is a system of analyzing the universe -- making observations, asking questions, forming hypothesis, experimenting, and forming a conclusion. This leads some people to believe they have the universe figured out. I don't think the universe is as simple as to be explained so simply. One of the bad things about science is that it causes a lot of people to fall back on the evidence and the reasoning as a failsafe; it causes some people to believe in nothing but science.

Religion is usually more of a system for philosophical thought, in some cases. Or it provides comfort in dying, or a way of life. It attempts to explain things that we can't explain. As it has done for it's entire existence.

It is really better to question both systems, instead of falling back on one or the other. Neither is always right, or ensured to be. Remember - science never proves anything. Even Newton's laws are just widely accepted theories that could be disproved at any point in time.

We really still don't know much about our universe, and our existence. Some people don't like philosophy, yet it is inside science and theology. The important thing is to think, and to question. We never know anything for sure, and we should never think that we do. We all view the world differently. Don't take science and religion and use them to crush people's outlooks, when science and religion aren't failproof systems in themselves.

I rely on my own philosophies to view the world. Not science. Not religion. I have my individual way of thinking.

How about you?
Posted 6/14/15
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At the base religion was meant to just be a moral compass, to teach what is right or wrong metaphorically through story. It was different than mythology where that was more a collection of seemingly random stories.

But it has always been political too. With there being plenty of corrupt popes, holy wars raged and mass murders of people of different ideas or rival religions. Many people use religion to justify their terrible actions under the notion that it's morally good. But it's not really religions fault that's just how the human brain works, as in it doesn't like being told it's wrong.

Now solely the belief in a god, or gods, well in my opinion it may in fact die out once we gain the ability to augment our bodies to whatever we want with ease and create whatever we want, basically creating heaven in the living world.

Now the only thing left is beyond death, I see the rise of more spiritual "souls/subconscious of the dead go somewhere" rather than "you gotta do x things to get the good stuff when u die good luck :)".


DraconemOfSevens wrote:

All right, I think about this kind of stuff a lot.

As Mr. Neil deGrasse Tyson thought, I also think that associating my beliefs with any particular group is a bad idea. The closest thing I could be labeled is agnostic.

I would simply rather not take any sides for an argument that we can not definitively know the answer to. It is up to the person to decide what they believe. One of the things I will say is that I find the argument between atheists and theists ridiculous. They cover entirely different topics. Also, the people that have no idea what they're talking about decide to jump into the picture, which is extremely frustrating. It ends up looking a bit like this when that happens: "I'm atheist! Your ideas are stupid!" "I'm religious! God exists, and you are a fool for not thinking that!"
You get the idea.

As for myself, I take comfort in standing on the sidelines of an opinionated, unanswerable debate. However, I still have several concepts against each side. Religions are made up of very common traits. Some of them operate on punishment, a human fear. And science is a human system, therefore it has flaws.

Science and religion are in many ways separate. Some people even consider religion as a way of life more than anything else. Instead of characterizing religion and science based on people, I like to organize them via their actual concepts.

Science is a system of analyzing the universe -- making observations, asking questions, forming hypothesis, experimenting, and forming a conclusion. This leads some people to believe they have the universe figured out. I don't think the universe is as simple as to be explained so simply. One of the bad things about science is that it causes a lot of people to fall back on the evidence and the reasoning as a failsafe; it causes some people to believe in nothing but science.

Religion is usually more of a system for philosophical thought, in some cases. Or it provides comfort in dying, or a way of life. It attempts to explain things that we can't explain. As it has done for it's entire existence.

It is really better to question both systems, instead of falling back on one or the other. Neither is always right, or ensured to be. Remember - science never proves anything. Even Newton's laws are just widely accepted theories that could be disproved at any point in time.

We really still don't know much about our universe, and our existence. Some people don't like philosophy, yet it is inside science and theology. The important thing is to think, and to question. We never know anything for sure, and we should never think that we do. We all view the world differently. Don't take science and religion and use them to crush people's outlooks, when science and religion aren't failproof systems in themselves.

I rely on my own philosophies to view the world. Not science. Not religion. I have my individual way of thinking.

How about you?

I would like to say that you forgot a key step for science there: it's making observations, asking questions, forming hypothesis, experimenting, and forming a conclusion, re-experiment that concluson, repeat. The scientific method never stops, that's why theories and facts change. Science already admits we know little about the universe and that humans are flawed, hence why we have to continuously re-test theories to see if they are still true.

Religion doesn't have that, but I guess they do have that in modern times people will pick and choose the morals they like from the holy books and ignore any of the toxic stuff. Which in a way concludes that everyones views are subjective, and it's up to the individuals to choose what they believe as you were saying.
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Posted 6/14/15
I'm an athiest.

I don't care or mind if people are religious as long as they don't shove their beliefs down everyone's throats and start telling people there going to hell for disagreeing with them.

I believe every country should be secular.

Posted 6/14/15
It gives people something to debate about, that's for sure.

It's strange. I used to have quite a heavy opinion against religion. Now I have no opinion at all. It's probably because it's been years since the last time I encountered any openly religious person.
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Interesting source to engage with

I think anyone who is truly interested in this matter should watch this video.

This YouTube channel has an entire series of an extremely thorough and well-research deconversion. It's interesting, intricate and, this video in specific, explores that the evidence indicates that the Jewish concept of monotheism evolved from the syncretism of various polytheistic sources like Canaanite and Babylonian polytheism. (Referenced evidence from A History of God: The 4,000-Year Quest of Judaism, Christianity and Islam by Karen Armstrong).

My own opinion re: Religion

I feel like the above video in itself explores a lot about religion and how much the forces of mankind influenced the stories presented in the Holy Bible today, as well as the long history of ravaging War that followed Religion where ever it went. Even in modern day, we have a "War against Terror" which is far beyond subjected by ideas of racial and religious segregation and hate.

I believe the downfall of humanity lies in our attempts to segregate ourselves from one another. Religion appears to be a driving force for this to occur. I do believe the idea of Religion, the idea of having something to believe in and hold onto in perilous times, is human. I can understand to an extent and sympathize with some, however I'm too much of a realist and someone whose gone through quite a life to rely on "a being" such as God, I'm the reason I've gotten this far in life, I'm the reason I'm still here and I'm the only one enabling myself to move forward. Not "someone" else.

Regardless of any pure intention behind Religion and those who truly practice Religion peacefully and respectfully, it's considerably tainted by humanity. By greed, power, selfishness. "Religion's not about being holy...just holier-than-thous" (Jodi Picoult).
Posted 6/14/15
Some people need a crutch to hold on to as they go through life. I believe religion serves this purpose for a lot of them.
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Posted 6/14/15
I belive there's something that created everything however don't think it was someone written in a x tousend year old book
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I have been reading through the Gospel of John this month and Jesus pretty explicitly claimed to be the only way to heaven "I am the Way ...no man comes to the Father but through me" and to have come from God to earth. He flat out refused to give people the kind of evidence they demanded - no one contested His miracles, they just accused Him of being demon possessed. You either believe His words or you don't; if they don't convince you, no evidence will either; people living during the early days of Christianity certainly never contested the accuracy of the New Testament writers eyewitness accounts.

The crutch argument has no basis in reality; if it did it could also be used to explain why anyone holds any belief - is itself a "crutch." Being convinced the Evolutionary tale is untrue - the world itself is evidence for a creator; "Darwin's Doubt" (Stephen C. Meyer) does a excellent job disproving the "evolution is a fact" argument.. Everyone has an opinion - I want to know what is true. I think too that a "thousand year old book" is usually better than a ephemeral thread! Lincoln had the right idea when he said he wasn't concerned about God being on his side ...he wanted to be on Gods side.
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My opinion on religion is don't force your religion on someone else and respect what each other believes in. In the end everybody's different and has their own opinion and beliefs and if you can't accept that well all I can say is Its a narrow minded way of thinking and you can't judge someone without understanding what their beliefs mean to them.
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Posted 6/14/15

dougeprofile wrote:
The crutch argument has no basis in reality; if it did it could also be used to explain why anyone holds any belief - is itself a "crutch."
The crutch argument is not an argument, it's just simply stating that whether or not the stuff in that book is true, it helps people recognize their own flaws by having an idealistic concept of a perfect person.

Posted 6/14/15
Just don't force it on anyone.
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Buddhist/Shintoist, personally. Would never try to force it on anyone.
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