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Post Reply aren't you guys tired of the cliches and harems yet?
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GoldTStar wrote:

No to the topic.

Anyway, you are waifu is not a slut!


You're waifu is 100% slut, as flat as she might be.

I forget most people here won't understand the "you're" part.
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I prefer nothing more complex than a love triangle.
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Being fairly new to anime, I'm not yet sick of the stereotypical characters, but I also have the good fortune of entering into the world of anime in an era of communication where I am able to decide via reviews and such whether or not it's a good anime before I even watch it, so I suppose I've only seen good incarnations of the cliches. I do understand, however, how a person could easily tire of the same formulas over and over again. If you don't have originality or dynamic characters, then it'll be outright boring, now matter how explosive the fight scenes are. I think it carries over into every form of entertainment; you need to display characters that are realistic enough for a viewer to care about them and their struggles. If they're flat or if the viewer already feels that they know them, then the viewer won't care about the character, thus making it boring.
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pirththee wrote:

The market will determine when the majority has had enough of cliche and harem.


It did, which is why the current market is an otaku market and not one involving the wider public.



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Harem is annoying cus it's always clear what's going to happen: all the girls flirt with main guy and either it's clear he's not gonna get with any of them or it's clear he's going to get with one specific one in the final episode.

I actually know how to fix the harem genre though:
The set up of a bunch of girls doing extreme flirting with main guy: that's fine. But it needs to go to the next realistic step, and that would require a not high school setting......... I'm thinking college setting.... There needs to be sex involved. Unless the harem is made to be cutesy rather than sexy, it just feels dumb that the main guy doesn't have casual sex when a bunch of attractive sexy women flirt with him for 200 episodes.

The thing is that anime is mostly young adult which I guess translates to bouncing breasts. Also sex scenes are awkward, but I think how extreme ecchi fanservice has gotten that it's probably the same amount of awkward anyways.

basically: I just want a harem where main guy has sex with all the girls but the over exposure from the one night stands causes him to contemplate love and what he wants from relationships . <- i hope this anime already exists ? i cant be the only one to have thought of this right ?


As others said, School Days is a series which offers more than the usual.

It's here on Crunchy too.



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There are a few things I want to mention.

1) None of you know what ntr is.
2) Everyone has shit tastes.
3) Maxism is intransigent and lolis are be definition XX chromosome.
4) All of you need to watch more anime.


Naturally, the laws of reality usually are.



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maxgale wrote:


pirththee wrote:

The market will determine when the majority has had enough of cliche and harem.


It did, which is why the current market is an otaku market and not one involving the wider public.


The markets future isn't static and it will eventually exhaust the demographic that consumes cliche plot structures and harems.
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MidoriNoTora wrote:


lxchrisxl wrote:


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These threads are getting more frequent.

Also no.



i admit to not looking too hard to see if there were a lot of other post like this. i took a quick glace at a few forum pages, sorry if I'm cluttering. seems from your response that more people are getting tired of seeing the same characters over and over though.


So you could say that this forum topic is itself a cliche?

On topic though I have no real problem with cliches. While they can be a little annoying at times they also allow you to enjoy the surprise when a cliche-breaker or genre-changer series comes along.


lxchrisxl wrote:
not sure what's wrong with the word animes lol. oh well :b


Japanese has no direct plurals, so all words are similar to the usage of "sheep" and "fish" in English, where sentence context tells you if it is singular or plural. Adding an "s" to the end of a Japanese word sounds strange to many people, especially if they have been studying the language.



Grammar Nazi approved! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4vf8N6GpdM
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bufoman wrote:


MidoriNoTora wrote:


lxchrisxl wrote:
not sure what's wrong with the word animes lol. oh well :b


Japanese has no direct plurals, so all words are similar to the usage of "sheep" and "fish" in English, where sentence context tells you if it is singular or plural. Adding an "s" to the end of a Japanese word sounds strange to many people, especially if they have been studying the language.



Grammar Nazi approved! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4vf8N6GpdM


Nope, the grammar nazis haven't arrived yet.

I have no issue with the odd grammatical habits of others. I was just explaining why someone else had an issue with the word.
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-way too many animes have the male main character that's completely naive with women even though pretty much all women around him love him.
-basically has all of the cheat codes available at the start but doubts himself somewhere along the way. then after the doubting period they acquire even better cheat codes.
-somebody/group of people has been manipulating them for a while because they just "knew how special they were"
-gets a stupid power up because they remembered they have friends and apparently the "evil" side that was kicking their ass doesn't.(looking at you fairy tail, scratch that I'm staring at you fairy tail.)

i could go on and on but you guys know all of them by now I'm sure. the women are worse, they usually don't even get a personality beyond the usual following
-airhead
-jealous one
-big breasted one
-"tsundere"
-loli

etc, etc, etc. those can be combined along with more but it makes for feelings of deja vu when watching different shows. especially shonen shows. that's not good in my opinion. i get that familiarity breeds comfort but this is like hollywood remake levels of bad with the unoriginality going on. you could swap out so many different main characters from animes in the past few years and put them in others shows and it would barely change a thing.

light hearted characters and shows are good and fun, in doses. you guys agree or is hestia the bestia and i should shut up? :b (or both)

-disclaimer to avoid a bit of flames: i try to watch shows even if i dislike them(looking at you again fairy tail) so that i can still talk about them with knowledge and give reasons for why i dislike them instead of bashing without giving it a chance. i don't however watch them forever if i dislike them.


To some extent, but 99.9% of all works of fiction are based on what's come before anyway. Even if the author doesn't know a work directly, previous works have influenced the realm.

For harem shows, yeah those rarely are the ones where you go to for a deep love story. Just like shonen battle shows are not where you tend to go for deep contemporary social commentary or philosophy. Both are a kind of fantasy. Depending on the work you'll get deviations, but in general, if a work cannot be defined by a potential audience -- it does not receive much of an audience.

Creators can rarely balance every aspect equally. Maybe they excel at character interaction but can't put together a meaningful plot. Or the story and plot are great, but people hate how static the characters appear. It's not easy.

I would say look beyond the tropes and cliches for shows that touch on them, but with a twist. It's good to give a show a couple episodes but don't force yourself to watch shows you don't like, I think it will only take away from other shows in a sense and make it like work.

Also, if you want genre-breaking suggestions that's a different thread, but there are quite a lot of "unique" animes even when they incorporate some baseline elements. I think it's safe to say any one person should *not* like the majority of media that exists. I certainly don't. People are different in what they want from a show.
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lxchrisxl wrote:

-way too many animes have the male main character that's completely naive with women even though pretty much all women around him love him.
-basically has all of the cheat codes available at the start but doubts himself somewhere along the way. then after the doubting period they acquire even better cheat codes.
-somebody/group of people has been manipulating them for a while because they just "knew how special they were"
-gets a stupid power up because they remembered they have friends and apparently the "evil" side that was kicking their ass doesn't.(looking at you fairy tail, scratch that I'm staring at you fairy tail.)

i could go on and on but you guys know all of them by now I'm sure. the women are worse, they usually don't even get a personality beyond the usual following
-airhead
-jealous one
-big breasted one
-"tsundere"
-loli

etc, etc, etc. those can be combined along with more but it makes for feelings of deja vu when watching different shows. especially shonen shows. that's not good in my opinion. i get that familiarity breeds comfort but this is like hollywood remake levels of bad with the unoriginality going on. you could swap out so many different main characters from animes in the past few years and put them in others shows and it would barely change a thing.

light hearted characters and shows are good and fun, in doses. you guys agree or is hestia the bestia and i should shut up? :b (or both)

-disclaimer to avoid a bit of flames: i try to watch shows even if i dislike them(looking at you again fairy tail) so that i can still talk about them with knowledge and give reasons for why i dislike them instead of bashing without giving it a chance. i don't however watch them forever if i dislike them.


Yeah, I agree with this assessment. Cliches have their uses, but the prolific use of them as of late, particularly in Fate/ stay night, is a crime of the highest order.
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There's no need to reinvent the wheel, though perhaps there is something to the argument that the wheel ought to be changed a bit from time to time. Really good work can come out when a tired cliche is explored from a new angle, or is invoked at an unconventional time. Those sort of works can give us new appreciation for an otherwise tired plot structure.

Consider, for example, a harem series where the first girl wins not in the last third as is more conventional, but in the first. That gives you an amount of freedom to toy with the entire harem concept. You get to more deeply explore the other harem members' reactions to having been passed over, see the relationship between the first girl and the main protagonist develop in a different way than is conventional because the climate isn't conventional anymore, and so on. Maybe the first girl wins now, but loses to another harem member later on because she wasn't as compatible with the main protagonist as both she and he first thought. Who knows? You're free from convention now.
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I prefer nothing more complex than a love triangle.

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Frankly, i blame Love Hina for kickstarting this niche into fullblown overdrive over a decade ago.
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I watched My Love Story and was bored out of my mind, then decided cliches are not so bad after all.
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Holy geeze that score. AnimeKami, the watcher is here.

Netorare, meh emotional torment fetish, such trope! Lol :P

Tropes are almost whimsical in nature, the depth required to write characters without tropes seems to me to usually have a drier stylistic detail, which makes tropes a thing in the first place.

I think when AnimeKami says 'Maxism is intransigent', he is recognizing that characters are easily made by exaggerating traits, and that the demand is for more interesting stories, which is why he feels comfortable suggesting that we all don't watch enough anime.
Posted 6/14/15
That's like 90% of anime nowadays, honestly.
Yeah I've been sick of them forever and SAO made me hate them with a burning passion
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