First  Prev  1  2  3  Next  Last
Post Reply Ways of Keeping Current with J-Pop?
11611 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
21 / F / Canada
Offline
Posted 2/2/16 , edited 2/2/16
http://www.jpopasia.com/charts/ is one of my favorite sites ~

It updates every week with the Oricon weekly charts and Youtube is another alternative I use. Avexnetwork, Universalmusicjapan and Warner Bros Japan are good starting places if you're not region blocked on YT.
1117 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
29 / M / Washington Metrop...
Offline
Posted 2/2/16

neugenx wrote:

First off, the difference between Shoutcast and Live365 is the fact that Shoutcast insisted that station owners prove that they have been paying royalties on all the music they play. That's what's kept them safe so far. Do I see them doing better than Spotify, Apple Music or Iheartradio? No, but then again they have never tried to be #1 just have their own place in the market. The latest info I could find is a bit dated. As of 2011 Shoutcast had 900,000 concurrent listeners at any time. As of 2014 Shoutcast had 50,000 radio stations in operation worldwide. Supposedly they've only experienced growth since then but I haven't been able to find exact numbers. They, unlike live365 have actually kept out of the RIAA's way by making sure royalties were collected.


Well I wasn't attacking Shoutcast, I'm just saying that more people are more familar and listened to Iheartradio, Apple Music, and Spotify because they're more well-known. Since we don't have stat on how shoutcast get, it's hard to tell how many people that site get since it's not well-known compared to Iheartradio,


neugenx wrote:
Now some of the artists only have a few songs up but the way Spotify does it is, the more an artist is listened to the more CDs they license for the artist so it's a good thing to spread the word.

On Spotify I have the following in my favorites/following list:
AKB48
Flumpool
Kalafina
Kana Nishino

There are tons more too. The best way of finding them is to go to the actual page of any artist you find there you like and click on the "related artists" link up top and surf it like a web wave from artist to new list of artists. Warning, some artists have been added using their symbolized Japanese names instead of the alphanumeric so if you cut and paste their Japanese written name it could possibly find them


I got chance to look at those and this is what I got from AKB48:



They only have 1 song, that's it.

Same thing for Flumpool:



I don't see any of their music on Spotify.

Kalafina only has 1 album and it's from 2009 (no recent album on there):



For Kana Nishino, I only see one song on Spotify from her:



Same thing for the other J-pop:





All of these are from my Spotify application on my PC. If you said there are bunch of J-pop on Itunes, then how come AKB48 and other J-pop artists only has 1 song or 1 album unlike their K-pop counterpart which always have recent albums and songs coming out on the day it come out in Korea/Asia region?



.


7401 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
48 / M / New England, USA
Online
Posted 2/2/16
I didn't take that as an attack on Shoutcast, sorry if you took it that way. I just responded with the most accurate information I could. I actually said that JPop/JRock is a fairly new thing to Spotify and that a lot of the groups only have a few songs so far. As listeners listen they license more. While quite a few of the bands only have a few songs bands that have been making a name over here (Vamps for example) have significantly more. If you look at my edit list below quite a few of the artists already have a dozen or more songs eventhough they're new to spotify. It's growing, slowly but surely. As more people begin to listen more songs will drop.
1117 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
29 / M / Washington Metrop...
Offline
Posted 2/3/16

neugenx wrote:

I didn't take that as an attack on Shoutcast, sorry if you took it that way. I just responded with the most accurate information I could. I actually said that JPop/JRock is a fairly new thing to Spotify and that a lot of the groups only have a few songs so far. As listeners listen they license more. While quite a few of the bands only have a few songs bands that have been making a name over here (Vamps for example) have significantly more. If you look at my edit list below quite a few of the artists already have a dozen or more songs eventhough they're new to spotify. It's growing, slowly but surely. As more people begin to listen more songs will drop.


You don't have to apologize, but I'm just giving my assessment on it. But it's going to be hard for J-pop to get a bigger audiences given that shoutcast is not a well-known brand compared to Iheartradio and Apple Music. Also about J-pop on Spotify, I'm not even sure if the catalog will grow and I'm not even sure other big name artists from J-pop will take the international market seriously. There is also the problem that K-pop is now overshadowing J-pop in the US and around the world. This led to people believing anyone a J-pop fan will be stigmatized when K-pop are somehow accepted, it's unfortunate.

It's going to be impossible for J-pop to replicate the same success like K-pop on a global/worldwide scale, I mean I just saw this today about a rookie K-pop girl group making it on the top 10 of Billboard World album charts:



Other then Babymetal, no other J-pop act has ever made it on Billboard World album charts. K-pop artists making it on Billboard World album charts in the US is becoming quite a norm.
7401 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
48 / M / New England, USA
Online
Posted 2/3/16

mdo7 wrote:


neugenx wrote:

I didn't take that as an attack on Shoutcast, sorry if you took it that way. I just responded with the most accurate information I could. I actually said that JPop/JRock is a fairly new thing to Spotify and that a lot of the groups only have a few songs so far. As listeners listen they license more. While quite a few of the bands only have a few songs bands that have been making a name over here (Vamps for example) have significantly more. If you look at my edit list below quite a few of the artists already have a dozen or more songs eventhough they're new to spotify. It's growing, slowly but surely. As more people begin to listen more songs will drop.


You don't have to apologize, but I'm just giving my assessment on it. But it's going to be hard for J-pop to get a bigger audiences given that shoutcast is not a well-known brand compared to Iheartradio and Apple Music. Also about J-pop on Spotify, I'm not even sure if the catalog will grow and I'm not even sure other big name artists from J-pop will take the international market seriously. There is also the problem that K-pop is now overshadowing J-pop in the US and around the world. This led to people believing anyone a J-pop fan will be stigmatized when K-pop are somehow accepted, it's unfortunate.

It's going to be impossible for J-pop to replicate the same success like K-pop on a global/worldwide scale, I mean I just saw this today about a rookie K-pop girl group making it on the top 10 of Billboard World album charts:



Other then Babymetal, no other J-pop act has ever made it on Billboard World album charts. K-pop artists making it on Billboard World album charts in the US is becoming quite a norm.


Unfortunately, I have to agree with you on all points. Though, I will say, when I joined Spotify a few months back there were a total of about 5 Jpop/JRock Performers/Groups on there. Now, they're popping up all over. Sure many of them only have 1 or 2 songs so far but they weren't even on there before. Will it matter in the long run? Who's to say. It's just like the Amazon and iTunes situations. A year ago there was nothing on either, now you can find digital downloads of Vamps, Kalafina, LiSA and a few dozen other acts. With this Youtube Red BS, I actually respect Vevo all the more for the content they host. Sure it's not optimal but it's better than the alternative of none. I'm just glad Nico Nico Douga doesn't block most of it's overseas viewers from seeing their content like Youtube does. On cable here we have, MNET which plays Korean TV for an English-speaking audience 24 hours a day, including many blocks of Kpop Music. We have nothing similar for JPop or JRock. I think at least in the US that's what's making the biggest difference between KPop and JPop/JRock...accessability.
1117 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
29 / M / Washington Metrop...
Offline
Posted 2/3/16 , edited 2/3/16

neugenx wrote:
Unfortunately, I have to agree with you on all points. Though, I will say, when I joined Spotify a few months back there were a total of about 5 Jpop/JRock Performers/Groups on there. Now, they're popping up all over. Sure many of them only have 1 or 2 songs so far but they weren't even on there before. Will it matter in the long run? Who's to say. It's just like the Amazon and iTunes situations. A year ago there was nothing on either, now you can find digital downloads of Vamps, Kalafina, LiSA and a few dozen other acts. With this Youtube Red BS, I actually respect Vevo all the more for the content they host. Sure it's not optimal but it's better than the alternative of none. I'm just glad Nico Nico Douga doesn't block most of it's overseas viewers from seeing their content like Youtube does. On cable here we have, MNET which plays Korean TV for an English-speaking audience 24 hours a day, including many blocks of Kpop Music. We have nothing similar for JPop or JRock. I think at least in the US that's what's making the biggest difference between KPop and JPop/JRock...accessability.


I'm afraid there's something more to it then what you stated. I don't know if we'll see more J-pop on Itunes and other online retailer. But I can say in this situation, it's almost impossible for J-pop (other then Babymetal) to rank on Billboard world album/songs/digital charts when K-pop are going to do that.

Regarding Youtube Red, I don't think that's the cause for most of J-pop being blocked on Youtube. Couple of people on an AKB48 news site said this:


Signed up for red, still blocked. :-(



I have youtube red and the videos still don't show up for me. I'm in the US. Youtube only blocks what the video poster tells them to block anyways...


So it's not Youtube Red that is causing this. I think they just don't care about the international fanbases unlike K-pop which really embraces the international fandom.

Regarding K-pop, it's not only Mnet that is spreading K-pop like crazy. I take it you never heard of Arirang TV, nor KBS World, have you? That's another way K-pop got spread in the US. Both Arirang TV and KBS World have their own YT Channel so that's how I'm able to watch K-pop on a daily basis. I mean I can watch Pops In Seoul everyday. So that's how I know what's trending in K-pop and what's going on in South Korea. KBS World would upload episodes of Music Bank every weekend on YT, so that's how K-pop spread really quickly in the US and outside of Asia.

K-pop has been making more mainstream visibility in the US then J-pop. I'm not making this up. back in Dec, K-pop was played during a NFL game. Also K-pop got a lot of airplay on a mainstream radio in the US:

Girls Generation's Party debut on SiriusXM Radio

EXO Call me baby on Sirius XM Radio

4minute's Crazy on Sirius XM Radio

Twice's OHH AHH debuted on Sirius XM Radio

I was told J-pop got played once on the same station and that's it while K-pop get all that radio airplay. So yeah this is going to be difficult for J-pop to get a similar breakthrough in the US when K-pop got it.
7401 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
48 / M / New England, USA
Online
Posted 2/3/16
I've heard of both Arirang and KBS but never knew about the football games and such. Out here you won't find K-Pop or J-Pop on old school radio, our only exposure is through MNet and Online music and movie channels, Youtube, Viki, K-Drama, Dramafever, etc).. We've never had any K-Pop bands tour up here but we've had Miku, Babymetal and Pamyru on tour in our area over the past few years (all of which were sellouts, but of course smaller venues than top name American bands).

It actually was verified many times that Youtube Red has been a major culprit if not THE major culprit in this whole fiasco. I have some of the articles by well known reputable sites llinked below.

http://techcrunch.com/2015/10/21/an-offer-creators-cant-refuse/#.d09uj8r:biLg
http://kotaku.com/youtube-copyright-nonsense-hitting-yet-another-communit-1745318795
http://www.japantoday.com/category/entertainment/view/japanese-music-and-vocaloid-content-disappears-as-youtube-rolls-out-new-paid-service
http://www.vocaloidnews.net/en/youtube-red-and-vocaloid/
http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2015/01/23/youtube-removing-artist-refuses-license-subscription-service/

A lot of the acts and labels are slowly but surely signing on, not by switching their old channels (which are still blocked) but by creating new official channels. It will most likely take a while though.
1117 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
29 / M / Washington Metrop...
Offline
Posted 2/4/16 , edited 2/4/16

neugenx wrote:

I've heard of both Arirang and KBS but never knew about the football games and such. Out here you won't find K-Pop or J-Pop on old school radio, our only exposure is through MNet and Online music and movie channels, Youtube, Viki, K-Drama, Dramafever, etc).. We've never had any K-Pop bands tour up here but we've had Miku, Babymetal and Pamyru on tour in our area over the past few years (all of which were sellouts, but of course smaller venues than top name American bands).


Well K-pop do North American tours for the last few years. there has been a rise in US tours (ie: Apink just completed their North American tour, same for INFINITE, and EXO will start their soon) and I assume you've heard of KCON (which has expanded to New York City last year). I understand your pain about K-pop not coming to your area, K-pop don't come to my area too for concerts but at least I can watch their performance online and have access to their video and watch their international fans interact with their idols by various mean. I was lucky to have traveled to South Korea in 2014 and have gotten chance to see SNSD-TTS at a music performance and got my hand touched by 2 of them. (yes, I'm not making this up)

But K-pop has been making a lot of mainstream breakthrough in the US since last year like for example:

K-pop girl group, Lovelyz acapella version of Michael Jackson's

Rookie K-pop girl group, G-friend, performance goes viral in the US and around the world

the famous marching band, Blue devils, added GOT7's I like it on their performance list.

All of these I never seen J-pop nor J-music were able to do. Just to let you know Gackt blasted Cool Japan for not being able to compete with South Korea in term of pop culture export beyond anime/manga. A lot of people agreed with him. Also to add to the insult, a report from the MLA has confirmed that Japanese language classes in US colleges/universities has declined by 7.8% while Korean language jumped up by 45%:



So yes this is not good for J-pop and the future of Japan's images to the world.


neugenx wrote:
It actually was verified many times that Youtube Red has been a major culprit if not THE major culprit in this whole fiasco. I have some of the articles by well known reputable sites llinked below.

http://techcrunch.com/2015/10/21/an-offer-creators-cant-refuse/#.d09uj8r:biLg
http://kotaku.com/youtube-copyright-nonsense-hitting-yet-another-communit-1745318795
http://www.japantoday.com/category/entertainment/view/japanese-music-and-vocaloid-content-disappears-as-youtube-rolls-out-new-paid-service
http://www.vocaloidnews.net/en/youtube-red-and-vocaloid/
http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2015/01/23/youtube-removing-artist-refuses-license-subscription-service/

A lot of the acts and labels are slowly but surely signing on, not by switching their old channels (which are still blocked) but by creating new official channels. It will most likely take a while though.


I'm not denying the sources above. but as I said, there are J-pop fans reporting that even after they subscribed to YT Red. they still can't access J-pop video, that's the case for AKB48. They still can't access some of the J-pop video despite signing up for YT Red. I've seem J-pop fans accusing Japanese labels/agencies of using the Youtube Red as an excuse to intentionally limit exposing J-pop to international audiences. Some suspect they're using the YT Red as a way to limit J-pop exposure to the outside world beyond Japan/Asia region.

Even before YT Red, there are a lot of J-pop that get region blocked intentionally, you can read my evidence here.
10595 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
Rabbit Horse
Offline
Posted 2/4/16
i think it's easier / makes more sense to simply follow the artists or bands that you particularly like.
you can easily follow them on twitter / ameblo and maybe listen to the MV on niconico or other media they uploaded their content.

as for classes dropping - maybe that will change with the 2020 Tokyo Olympics.
1117 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
29 / M / Washington Metrop...
Offline
Posted 2/4/16 , edited 2/4/16

namealreadytaken wrote:

i think it's easier / makes more sense to simply follow the artists or bands that you particularly like.
you can easily follow them on twitter / ameblo and maybe listen to the MV on niconico or other media they uploaded their content.

as for classes dropping - maybe that will change with the 2020 Tokyo Olympics.


K-pop fans can follow up to more then 10+ groups. I followed like up to 15 groups in K-pop while trying to spot out on other lesser well-known group in K-pop. I can be able to follow J-pop if they make their content more accessible like K-pop are doing.

To be honest, J-pop fandom hasn't been the same since K-pop took over, I mean let me show you:

The following are threads from a once active J-pop forum:

Where did the j-pop community go?

What happened to Jpop community?

This is also from a OH thread about J-pop fandom:

Why is there a lack of Jpop fans internationally compared to Kpop? and Is J-pop fandom suffering from lack of unity?

Since most of older K-pop fans are former J-pop fans, there has been question why K-pop fans aren't branching out to J-pop (while these same K-pop and K-dramas fans are branching out to Taiwanese dramas and pop).

About Japanese classes enrollment will change, I don't think so. I mean we've been getting a lot of anime on CR and other sites for the last few years and yet Japanese language classes has been going down and not up. Yet at the same time when K-pop and K-dramas got more popular, Korean language classes jumped up. Could you explain that?
7401 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
48 / M / New England, USA
Online
Posted 2/4/16 , edited 2/4/16


Well K-pop do North American tours for the last few years. there has been a rise in US tours (ie: Apink just completed their North American tour, same for INFINITE, and EXO will start their soon) and I assume you've heard of KCON (which has expanded to New York City last year). I understand your pain about K-pop not coming to your area, K-pop don't come to my area too for concerts but at least I can watch their performance online and have access to their video and watch their international fans interact with their idols by various mean. I was lucky to have traveled to South Korea in 2014 and have gotten chance to see SNSD-TTS at a music performance and got my hand touched by 2 of them. (yes, I'm not making this up)

But K-pop has been making a lot of mainstream breakthrough in the US since last year like for example:

K-pop girl group, Lovelyz acapella version of Michael Jackson's

Rookie K-pop girl group, G-friend, performance goes viral in the US and around the world

the famous marching band, Blue devils, added GOT7's I like it on their performance list.

All of these I never seen J-pop nor J-music were able to do. Just to let you know Gackt blasted Cool Japan for not being able to compete with South Korea in term of pop culture export beyond anime/manga. A lot of people agreed with him. Also to add to the insult, a report from the MLA has confirmed that Japanese language classes in US colleges/universities has declined by 7.8% while Korean language jumped up by 45%:



So yes this is not good for J-pop and the future of Japan's images to the world.



I'm not denying the sources above. but as I said, there are J-pop fans reporting that even after they subscribed to YT Red. they still can't access J-pop video, that's the case for AKB48. They still can't access some of the J-pop video despite signing up for YT Red. I've seem J-pop fans accusing Japanese labels/agencies of using the Youtube Red as an excuse to intentionally limit exposing J-pop to international audiences. Some suspect they're using the YT Red as a way to limit J-pop exposure to the outside world beyond Japan/Asia region.

Even before YT Red, there are a lot of J-pop that get region blocked intentionally, you can read my evidence here.

I don't dispute any of your evidence. It's a weird situation. The one fact though is even the school increase in language learning the numbers still come 5.5 to 1 in Japans Favor (66,000 Japan to 12,000 Korean students).

Many people though don't understand the Youtube Red scheme though. If a band/label/artist was to agree to the Youtube Red scheme they would in fact be unblocked in Red, but if they don't agree to turn over a large percentage of their revenue they, won't be unblocked in regular or Red. Unless the band/label/artist signs, they will in fact be blocked through ALL of Youtube.

Oh, I know of many of the cases of intentional blocking as well. In a lot of cases they were caused by the actual labels themselves it seems due to not wanting their MVs (which come as bonuses on their Limited Edition CD singles) to stifle the sales of the singles. What they don't realize is that they're shooting themselves in the foot closing a distribution door in doing that.

I think another factor to take into consideration is many KPop bands have embraced the English language in their song lyrics for a long while. Something that unfortunately has just begun in JPop and not yet on a grand scale. I too often hear "why do you listen to that? You can't even understand what they're saying!". It's a common thing to hear in the U.S. sadly.
1117 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
29 / M / Washington Metrop...
Offline
Posted 2/4/16 , edited 2/4/16

neugenx wrote:

I don't dispute any of your evidence. It's a weird situation. The one fact though is even the school increase in language learning the numbers still come 5.5 to 1 in Japans Favor (66,000 Japan to 12,000 Korean students).


Well my point is that if anime/manga is still popular, then Japanese language classes in US colleges/universities wouldn't be dropping like the chart show. Yet at the same time Korean dramas and K-pop are getting more popular in the US, Korean language classes jumped up. That's not a odd coincidence, I talked to other anime aficionados on other website and show them the evidence, they agreed with me: anime has lost it's "cool" factor it once had long time ago and Japan is not marketing their other pop culture like J-pop and J-dramas to make up for it.


neugenx wrote:

Many people though don't understand the Youtube Red scheme though. If a band/label/artist was to agree to the Youtube Red scheme they would in fact be unblocked in Red, but if they don't agree to turn over a large percentage of their revenue they, won't be unblocked in regular or Red. Unless the band/label/artist signs, they will in fact be blocked through ALL of Youtube.


I agree.


neugenx wrote:
Oh, I know of many of the cases of intentional blocking as well. In a lot of cases they were caused by the actual labels themselves it seems due to not wanting their MVs (which come as bonuses on their Limited Edition CD singles) to stifle the sales of the singles. What they don't realize is that they're shooting themselves in the foot closing a distribution door in doing that.


This, I'll never understand why they do that.


neugenx wrote:I too often hear "why do you listen to that? You can't even understand what they're saying!". It's a common thing to hear in the U.S. sadly.


This happen to K-pop too until PSY's Gangnam Style gone viral. After K-pop got more mainstream exposure, people that aren't fans just started to accept (and be more open-minded to) K-pop. Yet when it's J-pop, they don't accept it. This is why people online (including me) have debated if J-pop idols should sing in Korean if they want to get an audience in the US and Europe, would they be accepted amongst western audiences if J-pop idols sang in Korean?

Also, a lot of people said J-pop is too weird to be accepted in the west. But the problem is I've seen K-pop MVs and concept that "out-weird" J-pop and yet people accept the weirdness in K-pop. Hence furthering the debate on if J-pop should sing in Korean in order to be accepted.
10595 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
Rabbit Horse
Offline
Posted 2/4/16
i'm not sure how Gangnam Style became so popular. the lyrics is dumb, the dance is awkward at best and it basically feels like a song you'd play only in parties (where nobody cares about the lyrics).
1117 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
29 / M / Washington Metrop...
Offline
Posted 2/4/16 , edited 2/4/16

namealreadytaken wrote:

i'm not sure how Gangnam Style became so popular. the lyrics is dumb, the dance is awkward at best and it basically feels like a song you'd play only in parties (where nobody cares about the lyrics).


Well it was also weird like on the same level as J-pop and yet it got accepted. Even Simon Cowell (who I normally hate) seem to say Gangnam Style is a masterpiece.

EDIT: It just came to my attention that 4minute's recent song, Hate just got a radio airplay debut in the US courtesy of Beats1 Radio. Once again this prove K-pop is gaining more ground in the US while J-pop is falling way behind.

41641 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
F
Offline
Posted 2/5/16
Jpopasia, generasia, and japanese music download sites.
First  Prev  1  2  3  Next  Last
You must be logged in to post.