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If people hunt for and butcher their own meat I suppose, but I doubt people today would want to do that themselves. There is a lot of work that goes into meat preparation, and its enough to turn some vegetarian.


There are people that will come out to your place and dress your animals for you on the spot.

You don't even have to get your hands dirty.

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Here's what you do. Kill half the population of humans.


More like three quarters, preferably all from first world countries if we want to save the planet. there have to be better options.



Doesn't make much sense to do that, because if you do that, lots of other places will die or suffer more.


We are currently using four worlds worth of resources. I didn't say it was a truly viable option, I was just correcting someone's numbers.


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papagolfwhiskey wrote:


VZ68 wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:


Mellowmi wrote:

Here's what you do. Kill half the population of humans.


More like three quarters, preferably all from first world countries if we want to save the planet. there have to be better options.



Doesn't make much sense to do that, because if you do that, lots of other places will die or suffer more.


We are currently using four worlds worth of resources. I didn't say it was a truly viable option, I was just correcting someone's numbers.




You also seem to forget that we are also supplying a bunch of the world with food and food-stuff as well. As well as clothing, lumber, ore etc etc. There are many states in the US that if counted alone would be in the top five for production of things in the world.

Sadly, we don't do much refining of raw goods anymore, which is a major problem.

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We could always become cannibals so we don't have to kill as many animals for their meat anymore...
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There's no need to provide every single person with meat for 3 meals every day. You say most demand daily meat. What about those that'll only eat white meat or fish? Some only eat a meat meal a few times a week. You haven't even mentioned vegetarians. Here's the thing, the whole rule of supply to demand is fickle. Demands can change if availability changes. Sometimes things like politics, extreme weather, world events, disease, war or war threats can change demand.


Although I agree that it's not necessary to supply every person with meat 3 times a day, some of us have medical conditions that require consuming protein at every meal. For example, my stomach is very small, from surgery. I can't eat enough protein in one meal to meet the daily minimum (~60-70 ounces, per surgical guidelines).

I can eat, on average, 15-20 ounces of protein at a meal, so I do need to eat some kind of protein at every meal. However, I do vary the protein, and use soy products like tofu and seitan to reduce the amount of meat I consume. I buy different kinds of meat, and try to consume more seafood that is sustainable when I can. I learned a lot after surgery about intelligent choices, so I'm doing my part, such as it is, to help out.


I haven't suggested not having protein every meal. You're already aware that there are non meat sources protein. We'll all have diets to suit our needs.
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I don't give a rats ass about "humane" procedures for animal slaughtering. Everything lives and dies at some point. We are animals. In the wild animals die in all sorts of manners. Many not so pleasant. People need to stop with the "but think of the children!" attitude. Unless someone is vegan, they've got no room to talk about how animals are prepared down the line.

Just eat your meat and enjoy people.
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It would be much more expensive to buy meat if you want them to be treated humanely. In California, we recently had a measure come into effect where chickens were required to now be given enough room to move their wings in their cages. I had always thought this would be a given, but apparently, it wasn't. Either way, the increase in cage sizes meant an increase in prices.

If you look at the price of free range chicken verses everything else, it is pricier. That extra dollar or two could easily make chicken too expensive to consume for many people.
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(Well, the religion, racist-slur and TG baits have clearly worn out their sucker-welcomes, so we're down to the Angry Vegans as the last patsies that can be hit up for a quick response...
Good luck guys!--Keep fighting for Social Justice, nobody's thinking of you as a knee-jerk reactionary sucker!)


Please stop this. As long as the topics generate respectful discussion they are fine. I think some of these are quite interesting, regardless of silver's true intent in starting them.


Okay, let's just put our cards on the table, just so that we all understand each other:

Just WHAT WOULD IT TAKE for SS to cross the line and get another ban, never mind one for life, like he did after another solid week of day-by-day thread-bombs ending in the immortal Hindu Funeral? Give us a possible ballpark scenario. ("But he's such an interesting chap!")
What line of goofy, painful, disruptive, corny artificiality and vocal public group weariness in the responses would he have to cross in order to fall foul of whatever rules are actually enforced? (And once you mention it, he'll probably go for it anyway, so that'll help speed things along.) Even the happy-world idea that he might be "filling us up with wonderful discussion topics for our Algonquin Round Table" tends to be undercut by his bragging about posting them while drunk....Unless, of course, that was corny artificial shock-value, too. (Gee, I wonder. )
Normally, as I interpret the rules, it would take people notifying the Mod and complaining straight out; however, as your post shows, the Catch-22 is that it wouldn't do much good. Why call the police if your car gets stolen, if the police are on the chop-shop's payroll?

The problem isn't just me, and it isn't just him or Desu. We'd like to hear your point of view.
You suspect the threads may not be genuine, but you allow them anyway because they're "fun and colorful". I think the nearest equivalent question I'm looking for would be "Whose side are you on?"
I think many of us would be interested to hear the answer, as some, like AiYumega expressed, are feeling ready to ditch the "sinking ship"--Which would be rather bad when we weren't the icebergs that sank it.
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I'd have to agree with this guy. It's pretty obvious that silver keeps making countless controversial threads just to annoy people. Some of his threads generate interesting discussions, but that's mostly thanks to the maturity of the community, not silver himself. In order to keep the discussion from turning into a flame war, everyone has to ignore this troll's bait. He'll just keep making crazy topics until he's pissed off a lot of people. Then there's also his "gays don't deserve the same rights as straight couples" comments he keeps posting everywhere, even when the thread isn't about that. It's clear as day that everything he says is just to get negative reactions out of people. His next ban is long overdue.
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I also find it tiresome to wade through so many garbage troll threads, but it is relatively easy to just skip the threads created by the worst offenders. I find it much worse when they infect the other threads, and derail an otherwise worthwhile discussion.

I wish the Crunchy forums had an option to simply ignore posts/threads by certain users. The mods here seem to do a reasonable job with weeding out the worst offenders, but it would be nice to have an option to ignore them from the get go.



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You also seem to forget that we are also supplying a bunch of the world with food and food-stuff as well. As well as clothing, lumber, ore etc etc. There are many states in the US that if counted alone would be in the top five for production of things in the world.

Sadly, we don't do much refining of raw goods anymore, which is a major problem.



My country is still an exporter of raw goods. in trouble now in fact due to the oil price tanking.

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It's not impossible but it's significantly more costly and less efficient and that is the issue. Making them more humane would cost them more money and/or not allow them to make as much. Then they'd either have to take the loss in profits or make up for it by raising prices. Either way they lose money and they don't like that so they won't ever do it. Sure you might have some small groups offering more humane alternatives but again the big corporations don't want to lose money so they won't buy into it.
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I want to clear this up because i think you have a misconception of slaughterhouses. Animals never live in a slaughter house, they live in a farm and when they are to be killed they are transported by truck usually. And animals are never treated cruelly in Western slaughterhouses, they are taken in and killed in an instant without any pain.
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