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Men must be stopped being told that everything is wrong with them


Nah, I'm good with it. Tell me what I'm wrong about. Let's have a discussion. I don't mind being told I'm wrong, so long as I have a chance to defend my views.
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"How can I have male privilege if I was sad once?" - Guys who wanna deny male privilege
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Do you have more?
and some without 3D (2D-chan for life)
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Early Education:

The early school system in general is largely tailored towards girls, ignoring the fact that girls and boys differ biologically in their development and what it takes to get them engaged. That source wasn't standing alone:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2000/05/the-war-against-boys/304659/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1055395/Boys-raw-deal-school-education-tilted-favour-girls.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10616/Is-school-biased-boys.html
http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/why-boys-are-failing-in-an-educational-system-stacked-against-them/

In feminist discussion, the issue of getting schooling more tailored to women and girls isn't uncommon, yet there is very little actually being done to move towards improved early education for boys, despite this research. The issue is most often brushed away saying things such as "boys just aren't trying hard enough", which completely misrepresents the issue.

Women Preferred 2:1:

Yes, I did read the study, however, I stand behind the idea of equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome. In a field where men are applying at significantly greater rates, if women with the same credentials are preferred 2:1, that is gender bias and not equality of opportunity. If men are applying at greater rates, then it is only logical that they would hold the majority of the jobs in that field.

However, I was using this to show that "the system" does not hand male's privilege. In fact, it seems to outwardly try to take away that privilege (most prominently in areas with affirmative action, however, this is an example of it at work more subtly).

That particular study also did a number of things to minimize the effect of the "I'm not sexist and I'll prove it effect", such as emphasizing different variables to make it appear to be testing something other than gender.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f6rQfpd68o

Sommers:

If your rebuttals consist of nothing but irrelevant ad hominem, then I will not take them seriously.

Conclusion:

You seem to be disconnected from modern feminism by some of the concessions you made, and because of that I don't disagree with you fundamentally. However, while you concede that the school system and the prison system need overhauls, these types of things are not on the agendas of the majority of feminists. I don't think you understand the true extent of feminist extremism, and because this topic is about privilege and not feminism, I don't think this is place to go over all of their double standards, censorship, willful ignorance, hyperbole and gendered attacks against men. However, on the topic of privilege, feminism shows that it doesn't hold the same standards to both males and females, it relies on outdated or falsified statistics, it misrepresents the facts or makes unsupported assertions and it largely does more harm than good.


Ill respond to the Atlantic article and the Good mens Project cause Daily Mail is not a good source. Ill concede that we do need to promote better education for men. That being said alot of this can lie in how we do try and force roles onto men as being tough and unemotional. We should probably put more emphasise on education for boys than sports.

Ironic you posted Good Mens Project though since they are openly supportive of feminism.

The study. I could equally find another study stating the opposite.
http://www.pnas.org/content/109/41/16474.abstract
Giving that there are other studies that hold give a different set of data coupled with the fact that there is a lack women in academia my guess is the study may be a fluke

Sommers. Still hold my position this is a good takedown of here. But ill hold that if you support GG your opinion is 0 in my book
https://sinmantyx.wordpress.com/2014/12/07/my-little-takedown-of-christina-hoff-sommers/

On your conclusion. I dislike your accusation that im disconnected with modern feminism. I read feminist literature, I keep up on feminist issues follow various feminists sites and spokespersons, etc. But please enlighten me on there censorship though? I have never seen a feminist try to ban a product since they dont have the power to do so.

You seem to make the mistake that feminism is one solid ideology with no exceptions and no discussion. It isnt one feminists views on an issue may be different than another feminist. BlueOnis view on an issue may be different than mine though the difference in opinion doesnt make on of us not a feminist.
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It seems a lot of people who hate "modern feminism" most likely think we don't need feminism at all. Just because women can have jobs and go to school probably.
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anzn wrote:
It seems a lot of people who hate "modern feminism" most likely think we don't need feminism at all.

feminists can be in some areas it really bad stuff and should never been there, while other places its may so be needed and could do great impact or change for the better (atleast those people that believe they fight for such or do they? and they never did while they did? and then we all did something we didn't do trololol...)

So now could we please go away from the feminism stuff?...
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We need humanitarianism and environmentalism, not feminism.

Anyway, I think it would be really cool if there was some sort of thought experiment set up where they hire a professional makeup artist and temporarily turn husbands into women and their wives into men. And have them walk around the city to do their thing for a day or so. It would be even better if these people were writers or journalists who can tell us what their experiences were like.
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Ill respond to the Atlantic article and the Good mens Project cause Daily Mail is not a good source. Ill concede that we do need to promote better education for men. That being said alot of this can lie in how we do try and force roles onto men as being tough and unemotional. We should probably put more emphasise on education for boys than sports.

Ironic you posted Good Mens Project though since they are openly supportive of feminism.

The study. I could equally find another study stating the opposite.
http://www.pnas.org/content/109/41/16474.abstract
Giving that there are other studies that hold give a different set of data coupled with the fact that there is a lack women in academia my guess is the study may be a fluke

Sommers. Still hold my position this is a good takedown of here. But ill hold that if you support GG your opinion is 0 in my book
https://sinmantyx.wordpress.com/2014/12/07/my-little-takedown-of-christina-hoff-sommers/

On your conclusion. I dislike your accusation that im disconnected with modern feminism. I read feminist literature, I keep up on feminist issues follow various feminists sites and spokespersons, etc. But please enlighten me on there censorship though? I have never seen a feminist try to ban a product since they dont have the power to do so.

You seem to make the mistake that feminism is one solid ideology with no exceptions and no discussion. It isnt one feminists views on an issue may be different than another feminist. BlueOnis view on an issue may be different than mine though the difference in opinion doesnt make on of us not a feminist.


The articles have largely said that a problem is in the fundamentals of how we teach in correspondence with biology, which indicates that the system needs to be changes, and that changing social roles will not have the necessary impact.

Again, I don't particularly care about your attacks of Christina Hoff Sommers or your opinion on GamerGate. This is not the place for either of those discussions. Her point in the video I posted stands, and even if you choose to ignore that particular source, there are plenty of others showing the problem of low male participation in Universities.

As for my conclusion, it was a complement, not an accusation. The modern feminism movement (as defined below) is largely as I described while you seem to be capable of compromise and a more open perspective.

When I mentioned censorship, I was mostly speaking about the feminist movement's attempts to silence critique and opposing viewpoints. All across North America (and likely beyond), stories of feminists essentially banning opinions (either through petitioning universities, protesting or outright threatening) and discussions from taking place are quite common. This to the extent that their is difficulty even teaching rape law in Law classes due to feminist backlash.

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/robyn-urback-if-this-is-the-new-womens-movement-its-no-wonder-girls-dont-want-to-call-themselves-feminists
http://www.infowars.com/harvard-prof-rape-law-classes-no-longer-taught-due-to-feminist-outrage/

Feminism is not one ideology:
I'm not really claiming it is. I am specifically speaking about modern academic feminism, which is the loudest and seemingly most prominent and certainly the most influential. I acknowledge that there are those within feminism who have more balanced ideals, however, the idea that "a movement becomes what its loudest voices make it" is one that you have seemingly demonstrated that you stand behind.

Anyone is free to identify as a feminist, however, that also means that you are putting yourself under the same umbrella as the extremists and that just isn't a position I want to be standing in.

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megahobbit wrote:

Ill respond to the Atlantic article and the Good mens Project cause Daily Mail is not a good source. Ill concede that we do need to promote better education for men. That being said alot of this can lie in how we do try and force roles onto men as being tough and unemotional. We should probably put more emphasise on education for boys than sports.

Ironic you posted Good Mens Project though since they are openly supportive of feminism.

The study. I could equally find another study stating the opposite.
http://www.pnas.org/content/109/41/16474.abstract
Giving that there are other studies that hold give a different set of data coupled with the fact that there is a lack women in academia my guess is the study may be a fluke

Sommers. Still hold my position this is a good takedown of here. But ill hold that if you support GG your opinion is 0 in my book
https://sinmantyx.wordpress.com/2014/12/07/my-little-takedown-of-christina-hoff-sommers/

On your conclusion. I dislike your accusation that im disconnected with modern feminism. I read feminist literature, I keep up on feminist issues follow various feminists sites and spokespersons, etc. But please enlighten me on there censorship though? I have never seen a feminist try to ban a product since they dont have the power to do so.

You seem to make the mistake that feminism is one solid ideology with no exceptions and no discussion. It isnt one feminists views on an issue may be different than another feminist. BlueOnis view on an issue may be different than mine though the difference in opinion doesnt make on of us not a feminist.


The articles have largely said that a problem is in the fundamentals of how we teach in correspondence with biology, which indicates that the system needs to be changes, and that changing social roles will not have the necessary impact.

Again, I don't particularly care about your attacks of Christina Hoff Sommers or your opinion on GamerGate. This is not the place for either of those discussions. Her point in the video I posted stands, and even if you choose to ignore that particular source, there are plenty of others showing the problem of low male participation in Universities.

As for my conclusion, it was a complement, not an accusation. The modern feminism movement (as defined below) is largely as I described while you seem to be capable of compromise and a more open perspective.

When I mentioned censorship, I was mostly speaking about the feminist movement's attempts to silence critique and opposing viewpoints. All across North America (and likely beyond), stories of feminists essentially banning opinions (either through petitioning universities, protesting or outright threatening) and discussions from taking place are quite common. This to the extent that their is difficulty even teaching rape law in Law classes due to feminist backlash.

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/robyn-urback-if-this-is-the-new-womens-movement-its-no-wonder-girls-dont-want-to-call-themselves-feminists
http://www.infowars.com/harvard-prof-rape-law-classes-no-longer-taught-due-to-feminist-outrage/

Feminism is not one ideology:
I'm not really claiming it is. I am specifically speaking about modern academic feminism, which is the loudest and seemingly most prominent and certainly the most influential. I acknowledge that there are those within feminism who have more balanced ideals, however, the idea that "a movement becomes what its loudest voices make it" is one that you have seemingly demonstrated that you stand behind.

Anyone is free to identify as a feminist, however, that also means that you are putting yourself under the same umbrella as the extremists and that just isn't a position I want to be standing in.


Thats not censorship. Censorship is when a government comes down to ban something. People protesting is not censorship. Protests, and Petitions to have something removed is not censorship. Action Bronson was not censored cause people try to unite to get him kicked off the a festival for his rape lyrics. GTA 5 was not censored cause it was banned in Target in Australia(though Australia has some legite cases of game censorship). The PMRC was censorship and so was the Frankenchrist obscenity trail. People bringing legal action against someone for saying something is censorship not a protest or petition to an organization. When Greensboro NC said they would refuse to answer emergancy calls for any store that sold Body Counts- Cop Killer that was censorship.

With the rise of the internet nothing in the US at least can be meaningfully censored. In the early 90s refusing to stock something in a certian area based on public demand would have been censorship with the internet know its not. If the local church petitions a store to stop stocking Danny Brown albums I can go out an order one on the internet or just download it there.

That being said you posted a link to Info Wars run the Alex "MASS MURDER PILLS" Jones who believes in all sorts of conspiratorial BS.
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Anyway, I think it would be really cool if there was some sort of thought experiment set up where they hire a professional makeup artist and temporarily turn husbands into women and their wives into men. And have them walk around the city to do their thing for a day or so.

Damn it how will I know who is what when half of the man is women and half of the women is men, I can't shower anymore, futanari showing up every where it will become a nightmare (good thing the prisons will be happy)
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Weirdly humanitarianism only comes out when men want to deny feminism... Weird almost like most people dont actually believe in it and our just bullshitting cause they dislike feminism.

How many of you people who claim humanitarianism went out and protested the death of any of the African Americans who have been killed recently. Seems like theirs a distinct lack of people who actually want to go through with it.
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