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"Petition" To Bring Back Extended Discussion Forums
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Posted 6/17/15 , edited 6/17/15
It's really not that bad as long as you remember it's just an online forum where strangers post their opinions.

Some people are trolling, some people fail to respond eloquently or simply fail to think it through, others just have different opinions, and others are just tactless. Take your pick but it's just a forum and I don't think some of the people who hate the topics even really care about the topics themselves, which is the most messed up. They just want the topics out of sight, out of mind.

What's worse? When people seem to turn a blind eye to controversial issues that are actually affecting the world simply because they think the responses and topics are eyesores? Or when people care enough to take the time to post their opinions, tactfully or otherwise?

Even if mods fail to weed out all the trolls, it's not difficult to ignore a "bad" comment here and there. Taking the bait angrily is what trolls want, anyway. Or if people don't want to read it, they don't have to click it. Not many people are so lazy that they can't simply click to go to the next page or scroll down a little. I have a hard time understanding how splitting the forums again will help the general discussion or a split-off extended discussion.
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Posted 6/17/15 , edited 6/17/15
I'm fine with things either way. Don't care really. I will note that all the bans aren't necessarily a bad thing. Helps to cut down (temporarily at least) on the more... ignorant/insulting/trolling type of users. So that's some silver lining right?
Posted 6/17/15 , edited 6/17/15
That's the reason why there isn't the Extended Discussion forums cuz most people end up arguing and insulting each other no matter what.

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Me and megahobbit made a group meant to be like Extended Discussions threads but its Closed/Private mainly to avoid, you know, what's currently happening most of the time in the General Discussions threads.
Still sorta working on it though.
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Posted 6/17/15
I am neither for or against the creation of this. Do what you will.
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See, I thought about asking the exact same question. It's true: the culture of General experienced a substantial change when it and Extended were merged, and I can completely understand why some people might consider that to be a net negative. We do have, after all, two major issues at present:

(a) People keep posting new threads on topics which aren't substantially different, forcing people to participate in the new ones if they hope to continue discussing a matter.

(b) There are some particularly pernicious trolls about. I'll admit, I've gone back and forth with Desu Maiden over their ridiculous Malthusianism, but that was quite some time ago in forum terms and I've long since ceased engaging. Silversongwriter, meanwhile, is a fairly active troll which I've actually been warning people to steer clear of from time to time.

Here's where things get a little dicey, though: we already have what's being asked for even with the merged General subforum. We have 13 additional subforums apart from General for discussion (there are also some for newsletters and contests), and one of them is specifically intended for casual banter (Chit-Chat). The complaint that this is an anime site, and that therefore discussions of serious issues are inappropriate here (not one you've made, but one which has been made), falls flat once we consider that there's a subforum specifically devoted to discussion of all things anime. As a result of these facts I'm not wholly convinced of the need for restoration of Extended, though I am sympathetic to the problem of duplicate threads and trolling.

I don't know. Am I being unreasonable?
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Posted 6/17/15 , edited 6/17/15

marklebid wrote:

I've been to forums where politics and religion were off the table. They work quite nicely.

Requires decisive and clear enforcement policies though.


The saying that "Those who give up their liberty for security deserve neither" does most emphatically NOT apply to Internet forums.

The more fascistically jackboot-moderated the better, and the more room that leaves for us smart folk. Otherwise, a site might as well be YouTube Comments.
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jordancharacter wrote:

I agree. Also, if they do add extended discussions, put it on the front page forums.

Or better yet, simply name it "silversongwriter's threads".




As long as I don't have to endure him, I don't care.


Then again, banning him would be possible.
Though, he is the equivalent of Michael Myers.
Kill him and he will still get back up.
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BlueOni wrote:

See, I thought about asking the exact same question. It's true: the culture of General experienced a substantial change when it and Extended were merged, and I can completely understand why some people might consider that to be a net negative. We do have, after all, two major issues at present:

(a) People keep posting new threads on topics which aren't substantially different, forcing people to participate in the new ones if they hope to continue discussing a matter.

(b) There are some particularly pernicious trolls about. I'll admit, I've gone back and forth with Desu Maiden over their ridiculous Malthusianism, but that was quite some time ago in forum terms and I've long since ceased engaging. Silversongwriter, meanwhile, is a fairly active troll which I've actually been warning people to steer clear of from time to time.

Here's where things get a little dicey, though: we already have what's being asked for even with the merged General subforum. We have 13 additional subforums apart from General for discussion (there are also some for newsletters and contests), and one of them is specifically intended for casual banter (Chit-Chat). The complaint that this is an anime site, and that therefore discussions of serious issues are inappropriate here (not one you've made, but one which has been made), falls flat once we consider that there's a subforum specifically devoted to discussion of all things anime. As a result of these facts I'm not wholly convinced of the need for restoration of Extended, though I am sympathetic to the problem of duplicate threads and trolling.

I don't know. Am I being unreasonable?


I think that's a reasonable thought process.

(a) I'm not entirely convinced that duplicate threads are necessarily a major issue for GD specifically (or even a terrible thing). Threads about some topics get so old that people don't want to necropost. And some do not want to bump a thread from two weeks ago. Or they simply don't go back a sufficient number of pages to see a topic. It's a common problem for all forums just as saltwater is a common problem for all ocean-faring ships. I guess I'm saying that it's the job of the mods to make sure there aren't duplicate threads with recent posts in them and the job of posters to read before posting. It's a minor eyesore for us forumites at the very worst.

(b) I have noticed a seeming increase in the number of generally disrespectful posters over the course of the last two years on many forums, including CR, but I'm not entirely sure how reviving Extended is going to stop this on CR. As for Silversongwriter, I'm not so sure. I, for one, enjoy his controversial topics and I usually will merely avoid responding to a whacky post even if it's directed at me. They're just amusing to read whether I have a strong opinion or not. I pick and choose which posts are worth responding to if I decide to respond. And even if there are controversial topics full of trolls, they are usually contained within those controversial topics. Shoving them into Extended doesn't actually do anything about trolls and disrespectful posters since the topics are still there. Many of the trollish ones are, in effect, not even in GD if people don't click on those controversial topics.

Overall, though, I agree that Extended isn't really needed.
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Posted 6/17/15

Morbidhanson wrote:

I think that's a reasonable thought process.

(a) I'm not entirely convinced that duplicate threads are necessarily a major issue for GD specifically (or even a terrible thing). Threads about some topics get so old that people don't want to necropost. And some do not want to bump a thread from two weeks ago. Or they simply don't go back a sufficient number of pages to see a topic. It's a common problem for all forums just as saltwater is a common problem for all ocean-faring ships. I guess I'm saying that it's the job of the mods to make sure there aren't duplicate threads with recent posts in them and the job of posters to read before posting. It's a minor eyesore for us forumites at the very worst.

(b) I have noticed a seeming increase in the number of generally disrespectful posters over the course of the last two years on many forums, including CR, but I'm not entirely sure how reviving Extended is going to stop this on CR. As for Silversongwriter, I'm not so sure. I, for one, enjoy his controversial topics and I usually will merely avoid responding to a whacky post even if it's directed at me. They're just amusing to read whether I have a strong opinion or not. I pick and choose which posts are worth responding to if I decide to respond. And even if there are controversial topics full of trolls, they are usually contained within those controversial topics. Shoving them into Extended doesn't actually do anything about trolls and disrespectful posters since the topics are still there. Many of the trollish ones are, in effect, not even in GD if people don't click on those controversial topics.

Overall, though, I agree that Extended isn't really needed.


A sound rebuttal, I think.
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Posted 6/17/15 , edited 6/17/15

Animegirlzvstheworld wrote:Then again, banning him would be possible.


VERY possible, if you've checked his current status.


Though, he is the equivalent of Michael Myers.
Kill him and he will still get back up.


I see it more like Hillary Clinton's second campaign--
It got attention and laughs the first time, but now that we've had a taste of it...
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Posted 6/18/15 , edited 6/18/15
I knew that this would happen and issued fair warning back when I helped beta test the forum changes that Baker made.

Here's the feedback I gave there back in November:

"General Discussion- I foresee some issues that may arise from merging General Discussion with Extended Discussion. People don't like to admit it, but Extended Discussion was the place where the craziest or most contentious threads would go to die. You may want the mods to be more proactive in dealing with them if they no longer have a "Discussion Graveyard" option to go to in the future."

So I knew things would be a mess here, but I never would have guessed that these clickbait troll threads would get this far out of control. So at this point I'm definitely a proponent of bringing Extended Discussion back.
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Posted 6/18/15
Not sure, Wouldn't it negatively affect traffic in general?
Sure there's always a few bad threads up, But at-least people are posting more regulary
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Posted 6/18/15
Things have gotten a bit out of hand in General Discussion and I'm not exactly someone who's been around here a long time...

I'm mostly undecided, but I'd be fine with a return of Extended Discussion. I get some of the good arguments made for keeping them merged, but the fact of the matter is - even with the new "Chit Chat" section, most new laid back discussion threads start in General Discussions. They do, though, get overwhelmed by some of the very heavy duty, troll and anger heavy discussions. Would bringing back Extended Discussions help that? Maybe, it would keep some of those discussions out of General, but at the same point - that's like throwing a blanket on a pile of dog poop, the poop's still there, you're just not looking at it anymore.

The issue is more of the trolly and overtly angry responses some are devolving into. I'm not sure if any change in forum structure will change people's behaviors...
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I am also voting in favor of bringing back Extended Discussion. I may not post in General too often, but it feels like it has become a bit of a car crash in recent weeks.
Posted 6/18/15 , edited 6/18/15
So the votes are a landslide 37 to 13 as of right now. But I dont know if anything will come of this if it were to stay in favor of that vote.

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