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"Petition" To Bring Back Extended Discussion Forums
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Posted 6/18/15 , edited 6/18/15

mdmrn wrote:The issue is more of the trolly and overtly angry responses some are devolving into. I'm not sure if any change in forum structure will change people's behaviors...


Like they say, "Clean up your apartment, and you won't want to see it get dirty again."

The trolls knew they could thrive BECAUSE they spotted the SJW's of the Angry Cynical-Showoff Atheist community, who had to put their two-million in every time there was a "religion thread", so we got religion trolls.
They knew the pro-TG's and the high demographic of gay-girl anime fans had to say something every time someone besmirched the honor of TG-ism, so we got transgender threads.
SS was even reduced to pulling out the Angry Vegan threads, since he knew those were the only vocal SJW suckers left after the religion and TG threads had worn out their plausibility/welcome. At this point, anyone who starts a new one would only get loud laughs...and a few pages of responses from the Important Social people who thought any discussion was an epic round-table debate of the issue.

As they say, if you don't want someone to get your goat, don't leave it tied up in the front yard.
The blame's not entirely on the trolls for marking out clear "Troll Button" areas, and although it's usually not respectable to blame the victim--like the swindler who blames his con victims by saying "They should have known it was a fake"--I don't think the troll victims are exactly free from being pointed to as the problem either.
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I've said this before, but I really am convinced that at this point the term "social justice warrior" has become so vapid, so devoid of meaningfulness, that it seems to degrade the image of its user far more than that of its intended target. It's as much a lazy way to complain about people discussing matters one would rather not discuss and expressing positions one does not support as much as it is a genuine criticism of unreasonable people expressing radical stances furiously. I'm not pointing fingers, but this is out of control.

It's just...it's useless. The designation is categorically useless. It can be (and is) applied to legitimate critique of media, society, and governance as much as it can be (and is) applied to illegitimate criticism. It is as much a tool for suppressing dissent as it is a tool for protecting open dialogue. Toss it into Mt. Doom.
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I almost hate reading your posts because I can't help but look at your avatar and get hungry. That chick can eat.
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dotsforlife wrote:

I almost hate reading your posts because I can't help but look at your avatar and get hungry. That chick can eat.


I've also seen a delightfully hilarious image of her in a "Fries Before Guys, Food Before Dudes" top.
Posted 6/18/15
42 to 15. Who do I talk to now?
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Posted 6/18/15

AiYumega wrote:

42 to 15. Who do I talk to now?


You might as well throw in us "Don't care" people to make it look even better
Posted 6/18/15 , edited 6/18/15
Ugh, its you

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Posted 6/18/15

severticas wrote:

Ugh, its you

:p


You dont like me thats okay
But least I'm not 95
Posted 6/18/15

AiYumega wrote:


severticas wrote:

Ugh, its you

:p


You dont like me thats okay
But least I'm not 95


-groans- so lame
Posted 6/18/15

severticas wrote:


AiYumega wrote:


severticas wrote:

Ugh, its you

:p


You dont like me thats okay
But least I'm not 95


-groans- so lame


Exactly
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Posted 6/18/15
Do whatever you want.. as long as I still get to complain about politicians!
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Posted 6/18/15 , edited 6/18/15

Balzack wrote:

People don't like to admit it, but Extended Discussion was the place where the craziest or most contentious threads would go to die."


A place for threads to die is the worst reason I can think of for Extended Discussion to exist.

If a thread deserves killing, we should just close it; not set it in a corner to molder and fester. I feel that:

1) Contentious threads aren't bad just because they are contentious
2) Having such threads more out in the open gives them a better chance of receiving a greater variety of response, of both light and serious; reasonable and (unfortunately) crazy sorts.

As it existed, Extended Discussion was a lie. The descriptive blurb for it said it was for "academic" discussions. Very little academic quality discussion actually happened there, and that blurb itself was, I feel, off-putting. Folks who might have wanted to weigh in on a subject, seriously, but briefly and without the rigor that "academic" suggests would be discouraged from participating at all.

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Posted 6/18/15 , edited 6/18/15

lorreen wrote:
1) Contentious threads aren't bad just because they are contentious


That may be your opinion on the matter, but at the end of the day the majority of users will likely disagree with it. That's even being evidenced a bit by the response to this thread itself.

I also stated that it will be necessary for mods to pick up the slack for the merge to work out at all. So the fact that these threads are being so closely protected under the idea of freedom of expression (or whatever the excuse) has only made the problem worse.

So it's easy for someone to turn their nose up at the reality of what Extended Discussion used to be (Hell, even I always felt like it was just a bandaid on a larger problem), but it got the job done. Serial thread creators who enjoy pissing people off had their own little private playground to troll around in to their hearts content, while the rest of the community was able to get along well enough in the more heavily trafficked areas.

And personally, to me General Discussion has transformed from a place where there are stupid but sometimes fun to reply to threads, to a place full of unpleasant click bait that I'd rather avoid (as well as those same old stupid threads). It has totally changed my forum experience on the site for the worse. I get so disgusted by those front and center threads now that I rarely even have the motivation anymore to stick around long enough to spend a lot of time in the anime forums- which was my whole reason for becoming a forum lurker in the first place!

I should probably just "learn to ignore it" or something. But there's actually a whole science behind internet outrage now so it's easier said than done. That's why half these threads are being pulled straight out of Facebook's trending news feed.
Posted 6/18/15 , edited 6/18/15
Already voted, but I agree.

I'm not against the controversial threads - just give them their own section and take them off the front page.

I can't even imagine what I would have thought if I saw some of these threads when I first joined. I get that we don't want to discourage discussion - but you have o think about the site's atmosphere for a first-time visitor. Do you really want a visitor's first impression to be what you see in some of these threads?

I get that the goofy and non-serious threads are unappealing to some as well, but if I was trying to nurture a certain atmosphere, i'd prefer goofy levity to serious and controversial any day. And CR seems like a fun and goofy sort of place - consider the news articles with their eye-catching thumbnails or the adorably chibi Crunchy-hime with her bright orange colors. I feel like "fun" just fits the site better.

I think that's why I i'm (relatively) active on the CR forums. In fact, these are the only forums I post on (though, I primarily stick to the anime forums. Again - because they're generally lighter and more fun).

That's just my two cents as a user, though.
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Posted 6/18/15
If some users are getting banned, likely its their own fault, I mean, it's not like the mods are so stricts. So I don't think that splitting the forums would solve the issue; not allowing certain topics or thougenning the moderation may be better solutions in my opinion, but I see CR staff doing neither of them.
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