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Should a transgender fighter be allowed to fight women?
Posted 6/18/15 , edited 6/18/15

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Come on, don't be a plank. You will have to find a way for Fox to want to agree with this contract.. nothing helping her there.

That's the type of ideas for a contract say, managers use t rip off stars.


True. Perhaps I'm being a little idealistic since people do some real bad things when money is involved, even if they already have plenty.

I want to say that Fox probably knew that going under the knife to become transgender was going to affect her career in some way, shape, or form. There's no way such a big athlete would not have been aware. I'm sure the surgeons and doctors informed her of the effects and she had plenty of time to think about them. She assumed that risk and chose to undergo the procedure at that time. She was probably also aware of the transgender controversies and did it anyway.

I'm more in favor of preventing two people from fighting in the ring if they do not wish to. Health is more important than getting a few extra fights. Sucks that she's possibly losing out on some matches, but this was a very foreseeable problem and she's, at least, still allowed and able to compete. The managers will have to deal with that. I can't really think of other incentives to get people to fight her if they perceive that they would be fighting an unfair fight.



Well i'm not really familiar with the rules of that sport. Perhaps, Miss_Take can give you a honest account of how Fox got her job. In fact, I haven't bothered to follow the link. My bad. I'm lazy lol.
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Throwing aside the whole debate going on in the other thread about transgenders, this particular situation basically boils down to a man beating on women. I know I'm putting that simply, but that's what it is. Fox is at an unfair advantage and abusing the transgender status to do so.

That's not okay and I don't care which side of the argument people are on with the transgender issue. This is pretty obvious. Besides, if I recall correctly Fox wasn't exactly doing well in the mens fights. Kind of makes me wonder if that had anything to do with this.


So what you're saying is that a transgender man-to-female isn't exactly a female? I feel like it's more complicated than that.
Think of it this way. I've seen guys that could get beat up by a girl and i've seen girls that could beat a guy up easily. Some people are just bigger than others. It's the same thing as a tiny girl fighting a giant muscular female.


The only thing I'm saying is that Fox was a shitty fighter against men, even though being one, and now is fighting women while having the natural advantages a man has over a woman. There's nothing complicated to it.

The idea that this is allowed and people are accepting of it (even though not many are) sets a dangerous precedent for women in sports.
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Posted 6/18/15
I think the fairest thing to do would be to make sure the female fighter knows her opponent is transgender and leave it up to her if she wants to take the fight. And also make it clear if she loses the fight she can't complain that her opponent was originally male
Posted 6/18/15 , edited 6/18/15

dotsforlife wrote:


Em0SceneStabr wrote:


dotsforlife wrote:

Throwing aside the whole debate going on in the other thread about transgenders, this particular situation basically boils down to a man beating on women. I know I'm putting that simply, but that's what it is. Fox is at an unfair advantage and abusing the transgender status to do so.

That's not okay and I don't care which side of the argument people are on with the transgender issue. This is pretty obvious. Besides, if I recall correctly Fox wasn't exactly doing well in the mens fights. Kind of makes me wonder if that had anything to do with this.


So what you're saying is that a transgender man-to-female isn't exactly a female? I feel like it's more complicated than that.
Think of it this way. I've seen guys that could get beat up by a girl and i've seen girls that could beat a guy up easily. Some people are just bigger than others. It's the same thing as a tiny girl fighting a giant muscular female.


The only thing I'm saying is that Fox was a shitty fighter against men, even though being one, and now is fighting women while having the natural advantages a man has over a woman. There's nothing complicated to it.

The idea that this is allowed and people are accepting of it (even though not many are) sets a dangerous precedent for women in sports.


If the benchmark is higher, then people will work harder.

Can you say, "oh Bolt is too damn fast..let's leave him out of the races"

Rather than dangerous precedent, there is potential



Edit: Oh wait, she got kicked out of the mens league. lol

Guess it depends on the deviation in the end.

This is kinda sad
Posted 6/18/15 , edited 6/18/15
If I should be allowed to add, to accuse her of changing sides just to realise some potential is a poor response (even though i've made that same accusation at the start xD) . What it would say is that, boxing is her passion and she's willing to try to fit in either in order to continue.
Her change of gender is a different issue and probably not calculated

Got sleeping to do.
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i dont know!! yes? no? ahhhh
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