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Posted 6/19/15

Bullbound wrote:

Wow, talk about piss poor reporting! It is amazing what 10 seconds on Google turns up...
The father and mother did nothing to warrant criminal charges nor the call to protective services that the school did place. The parents stated a punishment for a behavior, the teenager performed said behavior, the teenager suffered said punishment (all good so far, even according to the school and protective services), father gave the video to daughter, daughter shared the video, school counseling began with full knowledge of parents, and finally teenager commits suicide.

It really helps if you get the facts straight and present the case as it is. You can find a ton of info if you do a search for news agencies that don't just quote others but do the research themselves.


Well said I rather wait for all the facts to come out before I state my opinion. To many people spout off with out knowing the entire situation. If the kids posted the video herself and expected kindness from "out of all places youtube" she clearly didn't understand how the internet really is. I feel pity for the parents because there kid " seems to me" wanted attention . I'm sure if she apologized for said behavior and talked things out with her parents this could have been a positive learning experience.
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I'm sure if she apologized for said behavior and talked things out with her parents this could have been a positive learning experience.

Maybe by time it could calm down, but talking out with the parents would simply not work if she was like that (maybe someone from the "outside" like a friend or something could)
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Posted 6/19/15 , edited 6/19/15

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J-POP187 wrote:
I'm sure if she apologized for said behavior and talked things out with her parents this could have been a positive learning experience.

Maybe by time it could calm down, but talking out with the parents would simply not work if she was like that (maybe someone from the "outside" like a friend or something could)


I see, yes your right if she was already depressed a third party may have been better, but " this is coming from my own experiences" trying to find sympathy from youtube of all places was a mistake on her part. That is one of the problems I see with today tweens relying on social media to much instead of making friends they could hang out with. Also I made mistakes and after talking it out with my parents I understood why I was punished and what could have happened. I guess what i'm trying to say is if every kid committed suicide because they were feeling depressed then we would have many dead kids they need to be taught how to handle negative situations and peer pressure better. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough in my response right now i'm trying to juggle a few things
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Freddy, I think you have some misunderstanding about mental health and healthcare professionals. The number one job of a healthcare professional when dealing with someone that is depressed or potentially suicidal is to keep them safe. There are times when a client might "explode," but we are all trained on how to handle it as a team. Also, asking someone if they are suicidal is not going to cause them to commit suicide, start planning it, nor increase their chance of performing it. People that have decided to commit suicide will usually admit it, because they have a plan and "no one is going to stop [them]." We can't help everyone, but we can do our best.

There is no forcing or trying to change a mental ill person's mind, when they meet with a professional. There are therapies that fall under the Behavior Modification umbrella, but they all allow the client to make their own decisions after looking at what they are thinking of doing and how else they can approach the problem. I don't understand your virus analogy at all, but mental health issues are not going to spread from Person A to Person B because of a brief contact. Some research does show that teens exposed to suicide are more likely to suicide, but further research revealed that the instances increased due to shared mental health factors and not the exposure to suicide.
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Fuck the father. Publicly shaming your kids its fucking awful and a horrible way to punish them. Your not fucking teaching your kids a lesson by throwing them to the fucking dogs your just being an asshole.


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Bullbound wrote:
There are therapies that fall under the Behavior Modification umbrella, but they all allow the client to make their own decisions after looking at what they are thinking of doing and how else they can approach the problem.

I don't understand your virus analogy at all, but mental health issues are not going to spread from Person A to Person B because of a brief contact.

The virus thing maybe a bit overboard (its more like they did a long time ago around world war and thier behavior around dealing with emotions)
And about these therapies you mean those who sit in a chair lissen to ones storie (or tries to bring it forward) then yes that can work but first how to make her go there? (where as if one nurse asking and tries to help and she do see that the nurse is going to try something while the guy in chair could be seen as the 3rd person, or not there while are) and that I think is some of that "virus" access where you get all the wires find the smallest one and changes that one that could lead to something better or worse mostly better since its maybe felt as not that much of an deal? you know since there is not much tracks of it and nothing to "blame" per say.

but you do know mind controll right or atleast some of them? (from world war tries to change opinions or "robot" soldiers and some succeeded if I am not mistaken)
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Freddy96NO wrote:
And about these therapies you mean those who sit in a chair lissen to ones storie (or tries to bring it forward) then yes that can work but first how to make her go there? (where as if one nurse asking and tries to help and she do see that the nurse is going to try something while the guy in chair could be seen as the 3rd person, or not there while are) and that I think is some of that "virus" access where you get all the wires find the smallest one and changes that one that could lead to something better or worse mostly better since its maybe felt as not that much of an deal? you know since there is not much tracks of it and nothing to "blame" per say.

but you do know mind controll right or atleast some of them? (from world war tries to change opinions or "robot" soldiers and some succeeded if I am not mistaken)

Huh? I can't make heads or tails of what you are trying to say in that big block of text with no punctuation and little grammar. She was seeing a counselor at school, so she was getting help with something. As for the "mind control" during WWII, are you talking about MKULTRA which led to the development of LSD among many other drugs, and didn't make any inroads towards modifying behavior? There has been attempted conditioned response training on humans, but I am not aware of it making any progress nor would it comply with any of the accepted standards of medicine.
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Posted 6/19/15 , edited 6/19/15
And to bring this back on topic, what does any of this have to do with a teenage girl that chose to publish her punishment and then suicides despite mental health counseling?

Edited to fix spelling mistake.
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I don't see that the father did anything wrong. Throwing away her possessions and giving her a short hairstyle doesn't seem very abusive.

Perhaps it was bad parenting somehow, but we can't expect every parent to be a genius at it. Not like parenting tactics is a required course in school.
Posted 6/19/15

PurpleDjango wrote:

-Note to self don't abuse your children-


lol. -exit PurpleDjango-
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Nice name, think i'll reserve it for my kid.
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Kavalion wrote:

I don't see that the father did anything wrong. Throwing away her possessions and giving her a short hairstyle doesn't seem very abusive.

Perhaps it was bad parenting somehow, but we can't expect every parent to be a genius at it. Not like parenting tactics is a required course in school.

That's abuse.
Its abuse.
Emotional abuse.

If she was mentally ill and he knew, he knows he shouldn't do that.
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anzn, there is nothing indicating she wasn't mentally stable to begin with, and it is not unusual for mental health issues to appear during times of hormonal unbalance (e.g. puberty). There are also temporary cases of mental health issues, which is what this appears to be at face value.

Also, it is a far cry from the definition of emotional abuse. Abuse has to be cruel and/or violent (emotional violence does exist but isn't evident), and include a severe misuse. If someone had their favorite dress taken away but still dressed appropriately, that isn't abuse. While abuse is an issue that many are starting to become educated about, it has resulted in the label being used inappropriately too.
Posted 6/19/15

Bullbound wrote:

anzn, there is nothing indicating she wasn't mentally stable to begin with, and it is not unusual for mental health issues to appear during times of hormonal unbalance (e.g. puberty). There are also temporary cases of mental health issues, which is what this appears to be at face value.

Also, it is a far cry from the definition of emotional abuse. Abuse has to be cruel and/or violent (emotional violence does exist but isn't evident), and include a severe misuse. If someone had their favorite dress taken away but still dressed appropriately, that isn't abuse. While abuse is an issue that many are starting to become educated about, it has resulted in the label being used inappropriately too.

Someone here said she was. (But with no source, so they could be bullshitting) Also, her age and going through puberty shouldn't invalidate her feelings if that's what you're trying to say.
Also, this is different. That would be a punishment.
This is abuse more than a punishment because her father humiliated her. In both the video, and for publishing it. Humiliation is abuse. Which is on the side of emotional abuse.
It seems you guys either ignore that or just don't know what humiliation is.
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The father never published it. The girl did that herself. He did video it, but then gave her the video. She chose to share it and post it. Would you call it emotional abuse if a child loses a toy and is told they are having it taken away because they broke a rule? All punishment needs to be linked to a reason for it to be effective, so is it abuse when a criminal is publicly sentenced to a fine, jail time, or prison sentence?
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