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Izabel Laxamana Suicide
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anzn wrote:
It seems you guys either ignore that or just don't know what humiliation is.

You do make it sound like humiliation is worse then what it can be, like some small embarrassing stuff into what you could call public shaming.
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I think it is strange that some people think the haircut would be an isolated case, and based on that say that Izabel overreacted. They fail to understand that there is always a pattern. Parents that behave like this don't suddenly start doing that. There is always a long history of similar abuse. Also in Izabel's case there are lots of indications that there indeed was such pattern of abuse. There are multiple sources for the story of the smashed guitar, the cut undergarments, the forced stepdown as a candidate for the school body and that she was forced to go to school in boys clothes. It is ridiculous that this is not investigated.
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Was there something wrong with the child mentally?


enough abuse and it will fuck you up in the head.
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I think it is strange that some people think the haircut would be an isolated case, and based on that say that Izabel overreacted.
There is always a long history of similar abuse. Also in Izabel's case there are lots of indications that there indeed was such pattern of abuse. There are multiple sources for the story of the smashed guitar, the cut undergarments, the forced stepdown as a candidate for the school body and that she was forced to go to school in boys clothes. It is ridiculous that this is not investigated.

Well it looks like many here did mean that something has been going on, but that the hair helped making her feel better when it was cut it maybe felt like (maybe that the dad took everything or kept everything away from her) so then she lost her "support" and was on a break down.
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Some of the responses in this thread scare me. I don't understand how people could defend a man who bullied his depressed daughter to the point where she committed suicide. It's even sadder that the victim is the one getting blamed for the father's mistakes.
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its funny how everyone seems to have an opinion and is ready to lynch the dad when in reality none of you know the facts of the story. go find the facts of the story first. then and only then can you give an educated opinion.
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It saddens me to hear such news. Being a father of two daughters (neither teenagers yet) I think I can understand and yet not condone the actions of the father. We want so much for our children to grow up healthy, strong, happy, and most of all out live us as parents by many years. It is a such a difficult tightrope you walk when you find your child has done something you find unacceptable, you attempt to help them learn the folly by assigning some punishment that is befitting the act, but many times you find the intent was lost. On several occasions I have had to punish (grounding, taking away privileges) my kids for various acts, and in hind site I wonder was my parenting choice the right one. Oh how silly as it sounds, but I do wish there was a save/restore function in life to redo a parenting choice at least once.

My thanks to the original poster of the story, I had not been aware of it, and it was informative but still saddening.
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jer5500 wrote:

its funny how everyone seems to have an opinion and is ready to lynch the dad when in reality none of you know the facts of the story. go find the facts of the story first. then and only then can you give an educated opinion.


Funny. I was thinking the same thing about people who support the father. Most people who support him are severely misinformed and unaware of the difficulties this girl was facing for a long time. She was having a hard time in school and going through depression. Her parents continuously made it worse for her by taking away certain privileges (like being able to run for the student body) and making her feel worse about herself.

It's one thing when you're telling your child they made a mistake. It's another thing when you cut off her hair and record yourself making fun of her in front if her face. You can tell from the father's tone that he was enjoying himself too much. This wasn't about punishment. It was about bullying his own daughter to make himself feel better. That's called abuse. If you ever have a child going through depression, the last thing you want to do is make them feel bad about themselves and laugh at them. That's just asking for them to kill themselves.

You guys can try to defend the father all you want but the truth is he's mostly responsible for what happened to his daughter.
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Most parents simply repeat what was done to them. They think something like: well, I turned out allright, so it couldn't have been that bad and must have been working.
That is sooooo detrimental and soooo shortsighted. You should only do that with the good parts of your own education. not with the bad parts. And to know the difference between them, you must do a lot of talking, reflecting and thinking about your own education first. Only very few people have done that. Most parents are doomed just to repeat the misery of their own upbringing.
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anzn wrote:
It seems you guys either ignore that or just don't know what humiliation is.

You do make it sound like humiliation is worse then what it can be, like some small embarrassing stuff into what you could call public shaming.
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Ticket? No, no; I was talking about how she ended her life because of her shaming being uploaded to the Internet.

Unless you were kidding about saying "ticket"; I don't know. I'm under the assumption that this is a serious thread.
Posted 6/20/15
The article is obviously one-sided and meant to invoke sympathy for the teen. This is how you get a lynch mob going.

I am still of the opinion that unless there is evidence / proof that it was abuse (meaning repetitive and unwarranted), there is no reason for anyone to condemn the father or ask that criminal charges be filed against him.

I'm not taking anyone's side. It's always unfortunate when people die, but at the end of the day, no one told her to jump. You cannot lay that blame on anyone. That was a choice she made. A poor and rash one, but a choice nonetheless. Some people are just not cut out to deal with the harshness of living, I guess.


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Funny. I was thinking the same thing about people who support the father. Most people who support him are severely misinformed and unaware of the difficulties this girl was facing for a long time. She was having a hard time in school and going through depression. Her parents continuously made it worse for her by taking away certain privileges (like being able to run for the student body) and making her feel worse about herself.

It's one thing when you're telling your child they made a mistake. It's another thing when you cut off her hair and record yourself making fun of her in front if her face. You can tell from the father's tone that he was enjoying himself too much. This wasn't about punishment. It was about bullying his own daughter to make himself feel better. That's called abuse. If you ever have a child going through depression, the last thing you want to do is make them feel bad about themselves and laugh at them. That's just asking for them to kill themselves.

You guys can try to defend the father all you want but the truth is he's mostly responsible for what happened to his daughter.


Interesting.
Did you know her personally?
Did you know her father personally?
Did you live in the same household and witness all these things firsthand?


Sounds to me like you're simply speculating based on limited (and obviously one-sided) information, rumors, and hearsay. I know you're upset because that's what the article and the reporting of this "news" was aiming to do, but please understand that you know nothing of the actual and "real" things going on in the child's life and with her family. Speculating the worst because you feel bad for this "beautiful 13-year-old girl" won't really do anyone any good at the end.
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I'm not taking anyone's side. It's always unfortunate when people die, but at the end of the day, no one told her to jump. You cannot lay that blame on anyone.

She was actually pushed true story 100 and 10% true...

Gross1985 wrote:
Unless you were kidding about saying "ticket"; I don't know. I'm under the assumption that this is a serious thread.

nono its a serie on YT thats what I was refering to
Posted 6/20/15 , edited 6/20/15

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_MissTake_ wrote:
I'm not taking anyone's side. It's always unfortunate when people die, but at the end of the day, no one told her to jump. You cannot lay that blame on anyone.

She was actually pushed true story 100 and 10% true...



Then charge the person who pushed her. Do they have witnesses? Video footage?
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_MissTake_ wrote:
Then charge the person who pushed her. Do have witnesses? Video footage?

God told me so, but the other god told me it was not.
I guess you have to charge me since I pushed her mentally from this side so blame me..
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