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Izabel Laxamana Suicide
Posted 6/20/15

Freddy96NO wrote:

God told me so, but the other god told me it was not.
I guess you have to charge me since I pushed her mentally from this side so blame me..


Mhmmm..
I'm not the police, so I have no clue why you're telling me this.
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Posted 6/20/15

_MissTake_ wrote:
Mhmmm..
I'm not the police, so I have no clue why you're telling me this.

sorry forget everything *creeps and crawls back into the cave*
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Posted 6/20/15
Publicly shaming is just god awful. When I do settle down with my love and have a child, I need to keep note that punishments have to be simple but effective. Shaming's a no-no
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Posted 6/20/15

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Publicly shaming is just god awful. When I do settle down with my love and have a child, I need to keep note that punishments have to be simple but effective. Shaming's a no-no

You do realize that he didn't make any of it public and that she publicized it, right?
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Posted 6/20/15

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Damn, she was only 13? How awful. The poor girl's father is a psychopath for treating her that way, and the police are just as bad for supporting him. I also think he should face criminal charges, as well.





dotsforlife wrote:

The father is shit for sure and I don't know about criminal charges for that, but why are kids so... using a term they're very familiar with, soft these days? No disrespect to the kid, but suicide? Over that? I don't quite get that. Surely the kid didn't arrive at the conclusion just on that one scenario...if so that's kind of sad in a lot of ways on its own.





Bryaugh wrote:

I'll just state the obvious... Suicide is not a rational decision; of course you don't understand why she did it. However, her father is a huge asshole, I hope his family punishes him harshly.


I'll put these all together, since the response is the same; why is her father to blame when he never made any of it public and had warned her that using social media to post pictures of herself would result in loss of her hair? Vanity is a huge issue in some households, since it is treated as sin. Hair grows back, and very fast following a massive cut. Baldness is temporary for her.

How would cutting off her hair stop her from posting photos of herself? Shouldn't the punishment been to make her delete her social media, aka what the supposed "vanity problem" was?
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Posted 6/20/15

Bullbound wrote:


RaptorSauce1016 wrote:

Publicly shaming is just god awful. When I do settle down with my love and have a child, I need to keep note that punishments have to be simple but effective. Shaming's a no-no

You do realize that he didn't make any of it public and that she publicized it, right?


It wasn't her either. It was some third party that spread it online. Supposedly, it was to show how messed up the father treated her and it backfired.
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It wasn't her either. It was some third party that spread it online. Supposedly, it was to show how messed up the father treated her and it backfired.


No, that is not how it happened. She posted it first herself, maybe she was forced to post it by her father, but that we don't know. Then after her suicide the video was removed by an unknown person. The second posting was from one of her friends, who filmed directly from someone else's Phone. That why it is now so vague. Apparently there where originally multiple video's of the whole thing, but nobody is talking about these anymore.
And no, it did not backfire. Without that second posting nobody would have known about the abuse that Izabel was subjected to.
Posted 6/21/15 , edited 6/21/15

PhantomGundam wrote:

Some of the responses in this thread scare me. I don't understand how people could defend a man who bullied his depressed daughter to the point where she committed suicide. It's even sadder that the victim is the one getting blamed for the father's mistakes.

People will always end up victim blaming.
And those people are the reason why the father isn't facing any charges.


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anzn wrote:
It seems you guys either ignore that or just don't know what humiliation is.

You do make it sound like humiliation is worse then what it can be, like some small embarrassing stuff into what you could call public shaming.

What kinda....
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Posted 6/21/15 , edited 6/21/15
Hair can grow back, but life doesn't grow on trees -.-. That girl overreacted way too much to just having her hair cut short....
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Posted 6/21/15 , edited 6/21/15

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It wasn't her either. It was some third party that spread it online. Supposedly, it was to show how messed up the father treated her and it backfired.

The investigative reports and interviews all show that she showed it to many people at her school. That is publicizing it. She was the one that made it public. Once something is public, people can spread it and often do. That is why you have to be careful about what you put online and/or share with others.

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People will always end up victim blaming.
And those people are the reason why the father isn't facing any charges.

Heaven forbid a charge of abuse shouldn't actually meet the standards of measure. I must be nuts, because I actually looked up the standards and saw that they clearly were not met in this case.

Many people are prosecuted for abuse and found guilty, but there are clear and defined measures that must be met. Was there a way to avoid the situation that was not detrimental nor included a threat of harm? Yes. Was the punishment itself inherently threatening to the victim's life and well-being? No. Was the victim mentally stable and able to comprehend the situation? Yes. Did the father and family attempt to mitigate and avoid unintended harm? Yes. So where is the measure of abuse? She became mentally unstable after the video became public, which she caused. The family sought counseling and she was receiving it at the school.

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Posted 6/21/15

hurtuoc wrote:

Hair can grow back, but life doesn't grow on trees -.-. That girl overreacted way too much to just having her hair cut short....

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No he's got a point. Offing yourself because your father punished you is a huge overreaction. Unless he was regularly beating her or something, we've all been punished and none of us here killed ourselves.

Kids these days though..
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Posted 6/21/15

anzn wrote:

No, that is entirely on point. The reaction doesn't match the event, which is why it became a mental health issue. The behavior that manifested did not match the expected and/or typical response. You do not see kids regularly killing themselves because they have their hair cut off. Did you ever see what happens when kids get chewing gum stuck in their hair? It isn't surprising to see little girls with suddenly shorter hair styles until it grows back, and they don't go suicide about it. If you ever deal with trees that produce lots of sap and forget to wear a hat, so long hair until it grows back. It does happen that people have their hair cut off, but suicide is not the rational reaction.
Posted 6/21/15 , edited 6/21/15

Bullbound wrote:
No, that is entirely on point. The reaction doesn't match the event, which is why it became a mental health issue. The behavior that manifested did not match the expected and/or typical response. You do not see kids regularly killing themselves because they have their hair cut off. Did you ever see what happens when kids get chewing gum stuck in their hair? It isn't surprising to see little girls with suddenly shorter hair styles until it grows back, and they don't go suicide about it. If you ever deal with trees that produce lots of sap and forget to wear a hat, so long hair until it grows back. It does happen that people have their hair cut off, but suicide is not the rational reaction.




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No he's got a point. Offing yourself because your father punished you is a huge overreaction. Unless he was regularly beating her or something, we've all been punished and none of us here killed ourselves.

Kids these days though..


Abuse doesn't have to always be physical to qualify as such.
Also, who punishes their children by cutting their hair & destroying their stuff??? Then publicly humiliate them via YouTube???
It wasn't an overreaction, its was areaction/effect of the abuse/humiliation. Also, she never publishized her own abuse. If that was true, I'm sure she would be using it as a call for help basically. People have to show tangible proof of their abuse in some way most times. We shouldn't have to do that.

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PhantomGundam wrote:

It wasn't her either. It was some third party that spread it online. Supposedly, it was to show how messed up the father treated her and it backfired.

The investigative reports and interviews all show that she showed it to many people at her school. That is publicizing it. She was the one that made it public. Once something is public, people can spread it and often do. That is why you have to be careful about what you put online and/or share with others.

Y'all are throwing common sense & logic out the fucking window at this point.
Posted 6/21/15

anzn wrote:

Abuse doesn't have to always be physical to qualify as such.
Also, who punishes their children by cutting their hair & destroying their stuff??? Then publicly humiliate them via YouTube???
It wasn't an overreaction, its was areaction/effect of the abuse/humiliation. Also, she never publishized her own abuse. If that was true, I'm sure she would be using it as a call for help basically. People have to show tangible proof of their abuse in some way most times. We shouldn't have to do that.

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Father was wrong. Very wrong.
Kid was wrong. Dead wrong.
And I'm not gonna judge the situation because to be honest I don't know what to say about it and nor do I feel the need to say anything.

Life is screwed up, and screwed up things happen.
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