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Posted 6/22/15 , edited 6/22/15
I wanted to make this thread a while ago but hold off due to me wanting to think about it.

So if you haven't heard then Sony and Sega is using kickstarter to see if there's any interest in Shenmue 3 by announcing it's kickstarter on E3 which is the worlds biggest event for video games expo's. And one of the biggest questions that immediately I started asking was why only 2 million when the first game cost 47 million? Turns out that Sony and Sega didn't go strait out and say they're putting money into it.

So my question is, how do you feel about multi billion dollar corporations using kickstarter to see if there's any interest for something?


I personally have no problem whit them checking if there's interest in a new risky ideas that may not be profitable for a company. However I see a kickstarter for a proven franchise or product to be extremely over the top for ANY company to do and I won't support it no matter who does it! Here's youtube video I agree whit on parts but not fully whit

*EDIT they're now saying that they need 10 million to "fully realize their vision of the game"... This project is already starting to take corporate pissing since this puts people who have already invested in a position where they need to pledge more money...Gee
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I don't see things like this as a problem, in the gaming industry at least. Think about it. It takes companies a lot of money to make these games and given this games age and previous titles, not too mention the gap in time, it only makes sense to use a kickstarter for it. This allows the company to effectively gauge the interest for this project while not wasting much more resources than it would take otherwise.

From a business standpoint, it's just flat out smart to do. Not for everything mind you, but for this project, yes. $2 million isn't a lot on a consumer end either when each person throws in a few bucks here and there. Given how popular the previous titles were I'm not surprised at the outcome.
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Sony may need it, but at the moment, it's getting TOO confused with just "Sales interest surveys"--Except that those who show interest are now obligated to buy it once it's actually released.
Small companies still need the niche capital, but big corporations seem to be using it more as a security teddy-bear for their fears: Okay, you read it here first, by the end of the year, we're going to see Warner kickstarting some new disk release.
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I don't see it as a problem. Maybe these big corporations will start getting bolder with new releases and stop milking the same cow over and over (Yes, Looking at you, Ubisoft and EA). It's just good business to do a survey like this to see if what they're planning will sell enough to put any effort in it. In the past, they would just discard all the ideas they were unsure of, So I view it as a positive thing. Since the response with Shenmue 3 was massive, Sony and Sega might feel it's worth their time to develop an awesome sequel, rather than rushing it, I don't know.
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I think its honestly a good thing for cult classic IP's so that they have a better chance of seeing a sequel. If Konami decided to try this for say Suikoden VI, I'm sure they might give the core series another shot as I believe the response would be favorable. Also unlike random online petitions, RL money is loads more convincing then just random people promising to buy it.
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i dont have a problem with it but they are kinda using the public as idiots. knowing sony and sega would fund the rest of the game if i were thinking about donating i never would. see, when you do something like this you better make sure the product meets expectations. on all fronts
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I'm personally of the opinion that Kickstarter type deals are a blight. This is worse than preordering which is already super anti consumer. This is outright investment into a product with no way to salvage your funding or say so over the project like a capitalist investor would.have!
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Ejanss wrote:

Sony may need it, but at the moment, it's getting TOO confused with just "Sales interest surveys"--Except that those who show interest are now obligated to buy it once it's actually released.
Small companies still need the niche capital, but big corporations seem to be using it more as a security teddy-bear for their fears: Okay, you read it here first, by the end of the year, we're going to see Warner kickstarting some new disk release.


I might be misinterpreting what you said and if I am then I apologize before hand. But you do not have to buy the game after release if you pledge at least $29 to the project. Sure if you go with the $5 tier once the game is out then you will have to go out and buy it but that is the same as when indie devs offer a $1 tier. Hell when the game comes out it will probably cost $60 like most new AAA games for $29 you get the game roughly half off.

So for $5 you get:
  • Yu Suzuki's thanks and praise. (whatever that is good for)
  • Be able to participate in surveys and vote in polls for the ideas you want to see in the game.


For $29 you get:
  • Digital copy of Shenmue 3 for PC or PS4.
  • Includes the $5 Reward.


So I don't know why you said "Except that those who show interest are now obligated to buy it once it's actually released." since you have already bought the game once you have pledged and the game has successfully met its goal. Honestly the general idea behind this is almost the same as pre-orders with one difference being that they need to reach a certain monetary goal before they can really start making the game. The other difference being that you may never get a game (or whatever the product is).
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Posted 6/22/15
Or you might get "Elmer Fud does Shenmu" for your $29 after 7 years of waiting.
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I hate kickstarters for video games so much and will never do one. There has been a game here and there that piqued my interest but when I see a $1kk benchmark for a game and reaching a $2kk benchmark and all that next million does is promise a port to another system it's crap. I would rather that next million go towards making a better game.

Also just like charities I may have no idea where or who my money is going to so I don't do it. I'll give money to a homeless person because I know they are getting it. If it gets spent on alcohol or whatever I don't care because I wanted to give money to that person. I'm not interested in giving money to someone that already might have enough.

blah blah olden days were better but in my opinion it is true. A game developer risked their own capital to make and produce the game hoping to turn a profit. I feel this led to games that had a finished feel to them and motivates the developer to make a good game. I will never buy an early access game on Steam again because too many lose support way too quick after they get that initial sale.

I am looking forward to watching some twitch action of Shenmue 3 though. I owned the first but didn't have too much fun playing it so I just watched my neighbor play the whole thing and it was really good and felt like a unique game at the time.
Posted 6/22/15
so.... Pay to see a game, then pay to actually buy a game?
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Posted 6/22/15

haikinka wrote:

so.... Pay to see a game, then pay to actually buy a game?


Yes and no. Yes if you put down less than $29, but if you put down $29 or more you get the game on release.
Posted 6/22/15

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Yes and no. Yes if you put down less than $29, but if you put down $29 or more you get the game on release.


Ah ok, then it's not so bad I suppose.
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Posted 6/22/15
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Well I see a lot of problems whit it and things consumers should stand their ground by saying this isn't acceptable. The reason for me thinking this simply comes down to the fact that big corporations can and will abuse kickstarter if they realize there's an market for it. For example think like if a major game, anime studio or any type of company went to kickstarter and said "you won't be able to enjoy the full product unless you fork over some cash before knowing anything about the product were working on". This is the type of stuff this will lead to if we as consumers doesn't go out and say there's a line companies shouldn't cross.

atleap


Kickstarter is hardly a survey companies should use since it's a crowdfunding platform. Also Sony have had their "building the list" survey going for like 2 or 3 years now and Shenmue 3 have been in the top spot ever since they started it. So that should pinpoint that there is interest for the title.

AsahinaInu


I agree whit you Konami should listen to their consumers more, handle press like well normal people and respect their developers like they used to. However Kickstarter should leave everyone whit a bad taste in their mouth since if we're talking about old IP's then the game assets have already been developed so they could take the texture, 2d/3d models, voice acting, music assets and imported them to a modern engine like Unity or Unreal. And then just rendered the game for today's platforms whit a statement like "If these titles are successful then we will consider making a new title in the series", or if they feel like it maybe updating the textures or something. I think that would be a much smarter move for Shenmue, Konami and any other retro IP owner should take. Since if you think about it then Shenmue is a story driven series so it would be good for fans of the series to be remained of the story and it may also entice new fans into the series
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I have a pretty big problem with corporations using Kickstarter or other crowd fundraising platform. The point of those sites is to level the playing field for people who don't have the capital to produce a product on their own or can't court high level investors. If those corporations do not have the capital to produce their own games or take risks on games then maybe they should get out of the business. For every corporation on the front page of a crowdfunding website an indie dev group or ambitious individual gets pushed lower on the list.
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