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There are pros and cons to every system. The ACA did good for many people, but it also screwed over just as many. I'm not a fan of it being forced onto people in some cases either. I also find it funny people think the ACA is so cheap. If you think it really is wait until taxes are due, then come talk to me. There are plenty of people who can't even afford discounted ACA plans, which is sad itself but that's a different topic for a different day.

It works for a select range of people and that's it. Like the other insurances it should be optional. It's a good option for some people, but not the majority. Neither are the existing systems as well. The ACA will probably stay and it isn't going to ruin the US on its own.

Luckily I don't have to worry about it since my employer has amazing insurance compared to most.
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Everyone should have health care by default if they pay taxes and are law abiding. It shouldn't even be a question.

I have worked some places and should say if it did would there be enough space or avalible doctors/help?
Most likely there will be huge amounts of time delays or wrong given info (mixed etc) that will happened if all where going to do tests etc even though it would help but the bullet will come when its first is fired (and just maybe be able to fix it later on)
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Move to a single-payer system
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LONGNAMEYOUWONTMISS wrote:

Move to a single-payer system


Keep that shit in Europe, we don't want it.
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DarkFrostX wrote:


LONGNAMEYOUWONTMISS wrote:

Move to a single-payer system


Keep that shit in Europe, we don't want it.


Actually a lot of Americans would want and do need it.

The US is the only developed country without universal health care, which is why you rank at the bottom among developed countries in terms of health care quality.
Posted 6/25/15
Its gonna stay.
I'm sure.
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dotsforlife wrote:

There are pros and cons to every system. The ACA did good for many people, but it also screwed over just as many. I'm not a fan of it being forced onto people in some cases either. I also find it funny people think the ACA is so cheap. If you think it really is wait until taxes are due, then come talk to me. There are plenty of people who can't even afford discounted ACA plans, which is sad itself but that's a different topic for a different day.

It works for a select range of people and that's it. Like the other insurances it should be optional. It's a good option for some people, but not the majority. Neither are the existing systems as well.


It's sad how there are so many people who don't understand this or simply ignore this and then call the ACA a success. Just because it works for some people doesn't mean it's working the way it's suppose to. At least when you buy a defective product, you can usually get a refund or exchange it for a working one. Unfortunately, people aren't given that choice here.


The ACA will probably stay and it isn't going to ruin the US on its own.


Yeah, the ACA can't hurt us too much on its own. Too bad Obama realized this and has several other plans to add on to the damage.
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The Supreme Court can only rule based on the constitutionality of a law, not whether it's a good or bad idea.

As for the ACA itself, sure it would be inconvenient if I have to pay a bit more for an insurance plan once I have to. But if that makes healthcare accessible to millions of other Americans, it's well worth it. Just my $0.02.
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faiabolto wrote:

As soon as Obama is out, they'll revert to the same old unaffordable system. People will be getting screwed over no matter what "coverage" they have. The might even start charging for candy given to children, the bastards.


I don't know about you kiddo, my rates blew up and my deductibles went sky-high.

Insurance doesn't do much if you have a $7500+ deductible and spend more a month in premiums than a new car payment.


Posted 6/25/15

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faiabolto wrote:

As soon as Obama is out, they'll revert to the same old unaffordable system. People will be getting screwed over no matter what "coverage" they have. The might even start charging for candy given to children, the bastards.


I don't know about you kiddo, my rates blew up and my deductibles went sky-high.

Insurance doesn't do much if you have a $7500+ deductible and spend more a month in premiums than a new car payment.




I've been lucky. Screw this system, I'm going to Canada.
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Posted 6/25/15

faiabolto wrote:


VZ68 wrote:


faiabolto wrote:

As soon as Obama is out, they'll revert to the same old unaffordable system. People will be getting screwed over no matter what "coverage" they have. The might even start charging for candy given to children, the bastards.


I don't know about you kiddo, my rates blew up and my deductibles went sky-high.

Insurance doesn't do much if you have a $7500+ deductible and spend more a month in premiums than a new car payment.




I've been lucky. Screw this system, I'm going to Canada.

Yeah, it's $12,500 a year before coverage kicks full in.
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Maybe the Power Rangers can get an artifact which will fix this problem.
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Well many people complain about not being able to afford health care, so it seems like a win-win situation.

Now it's just the matter of getting off your lazy ass and doing some paper work.
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dotsforlife wrote:

There are pros and cons to every system. The ACA did good for many people, but it also screwed over just as many. I'm not a fan of it being forced onto people in some cases either. I also find it funny people think the ACA is so cheap. If you think it really is wait until taxes are due, then come talk to me. There are plenty of people who can't even afford discounted ACA plans, which is sad itself but that's a different topic for a different day.

It works for a select range of people and that's it. Like the other insurances it should be optional. It's a good option for some people, but not the majority. Neither are the existing systems as well. The ACA will probably stay and it isn't going to ruin the US on its own.

Luckily I don't have to worry about it since my employer has amazing insurance compared to most.


If people weren't forced onto healthcare, it'd defeat a main point of healthcare reform; namely that the fact people can't afford healthcare incurs so many opportunity costs of the government having to bail people out of emergency room situations--as opposed to receiving preventative medical care--that the government literally paying for the entire system is cheaper. The goal is that the money the government saves through preventative healthcare will allow for more effective subsidization of healthcare that eventually the ACA will save money in the long-term.

While far smaller in scope, this is a (albeit, geographically local) example of how universal healthcare saved money: http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/31/2/350.abstract?rss=1

Will taxes go up? Probably in the short-term. If we eventually do get over to a single-payer tax system, the prices will go down further. A notable example would be pharmaceuticals for individuals, since the costumers are now the government, not individuals. Healthcare is, for the most part, a very bizarre example of the government spending money actually in turn helps us save money. In the long-term our taxes should drop as we don't need to continuously pay expenses to bail people out of ER by covering medical bills they themselves can't pay.
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This https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=how+many+politicians+own+stock+in+health+insurance+companies is pretty much what the whole fight against Obamacare is all about. It's just another case of Politician's getting pissed they can't rape the public anymore. They own stock in healt insurance companies, medical technology companies, even in hospitals themselves. With Obamacare came ceilings on what hospitals and insurance companies can charge the public. The irony is even the men who are against Obamacare (such as Boehner) have money invested in it. Here's an article giving specifics on Boehner's profiteering of something he's publicly called a travesty http://www.wnd.com/2015/01/boehner-profits-from-obamacare-stocks/ . The big question is are they against it because they can make even more money without it or because it was created by an African-American ?
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