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Posted 6/26/15

neugenx wrote:

This https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=how+many+politicians+own+stock+in+health+insurance+companies is pretty much what the whole fight against Obamacare is all about. It's just another case of Politician's getting pissed they can't rape the public anymore. They own stock in healt insurance companies


And who doesn't? Anyone with a reasonably-diversified portfolio has investments in the health care sector. I certainly do.

And my dad got his insurance through healthcare.gov. :p My mom gets medicaid.

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It seems so petty to me that the Republicans are so riled about this single bill. Seriously, how many years has repealing ACA been like their main agenda for? Hell, it's practically a vendetta. People need to move on and work on fixing other issues already! The fact that this single bill is still being debated is a symbol of how terrible and incompetent our current politicians really are.
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LONGNAMEYOUWONTMISS wrote:


DarkFrostX wrote:


LONGNAMEYOUWONTMISS wrote:

Move to a single-payer system


Keep that shit in Europe, we don't want it.


Actually a lot of Americans would want and do need it.

The US is the only developed country without universal health care, which is why you rank at the bottom among developed countries in terms of health care quality.


That ranking is flawed, it only takes in to account how many people are covered, America has the best medical schools in the world, and arguably the best doctors, with some of the most advance and sophisticated medical technologies and procedures being researched and crafted here.

A lot of those first world countries wouldn't have half of medical know how if it wasn't for us.

We have been recently producing the most Nobel prize winners in medicine, we're also the world leader in medical innovation, and have been outspending other industrialized countries in medical research


Old articles, but relevant

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/05/business/05scene.html

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2549790/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2011/11/23/the-myth-of-americans-poor-life-expectancy/
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That point only justifies why the US needs the single-payer system. There's no point in having the greatest minds in medicine and the best medical technology if most people don't have access to it. If you can have public funded schooling then you can definitely have universal healthcare. A person's health is not something that should be messed with in the free market.
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LONGNAMEYOUWONTMISS wrote:



That point only justifies why the US needs the single-payer system. There's no point in having the greatest minds in medicine and the best medical technology if most people don't have access to it. If you can have public funded schooling then you can definitely have universal healthcare. A person's health is not something that should be messed with in the free market.


If you don't have access to water,you can't drink.It doesn't matter how pure the water is you don't have.Couldn't agree more.
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Posted 6/26/15

evilotakuneko wrote:


neugenx wrote:

This https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=how+many+politicians+own+stock+in+health+insurance+companies is pretty much what the whole fight against Obamacare is all about. It's just another case of Politician's getting pissed they can't rape the public anymore. They own stock in healt insurance companies


And who doesn't? Anyone with a reasonably-diversified portfolio has investments in the health care sector. I certainly do.

And my dad got his insurance through healthcare.gov. :p My mom gets medicaid.



The difference is you're not the one voting on regulations controlling it. In private industry it's common "ethical" practice to disqualify yourself from votes you have a conflict of interest in. Unfortunately, politicians, more often than not, don't tend to agree with the terms of the word "ethics" when it comes to these same situations.
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Posted 6/26/15
At this point overturning it would shake things up too much. SCOTUS tends to take the path of least resistance, so I expect they will rule in it's favor.

I think healthcare should be nationalized entirely. People's health should not be bought and sold in the free market. Access to healthcare should be a fundamental right protected by the government.
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Posted 6/28/15

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GreatLordBalzak wrote:

Look, the chargemasters and general medical costs in this country are insane and ACA doesn't solve the problem at the root. I'm all for socialized healthcare but how about we get the real thing instead of this farce? Our healthcare was and still is a joke.


I'd love for us to go to a true universal system, but those pesky Republicans won't stand for it. We'll have to make due with this for now.




Its kind of hard for them to stand behind a bill that they were not involved in and I believe not one voted for. One that was rush, very poorly written, one that Had big bribes and even at the end the when the newly voted senator scott walker who won on the purpose to vote this thing dead was derailed by dirty tricks from Reed.

You have pelosi saying you have to pass the bill to see it
You have the president lying about if you like your health care you can keep it
you have them lying about everyone premiums going down
You have a FEW videos of one of the main guys that built the system saying straight out the American voter is dumb.
You had one of the worst website roll outs in history. Nothing that more tax money didnt fix.

America is 18 trillion and more in debt. How long do you think this gravy train is going to ride. How much more can we give away for free. Sounds like some of you need to break off the anime and get out of the parents house once and a while and see real life. Maybe even become of of those tax payers The funny thing is many that hate or dont understand conservatism will become one or come very close when older. Or you will stay in wonderland thinking we will be like star trek soon. Food and money will mean nothing.. haha


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lSuperbuffShaft wrote:America is 18 trillion and more in debt. How long do you think this gravy train is going to ride.

it amazes me how some people accept happily that the government spend several hundred billions on weaponry, but when it comes to actually investing in something worthwhile such as healthcare, they shudder. the same republicans also actively oppose any measure to tackle global warming, but that's another story.
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billytheboy wrote:

Supreme court will likely rule in its favour. And I'm gonna go with "creeping socialism"...

Socialism is creeping far to slowly for my taste.
I fully support the idea of Democratic Socialism

On topic:

Per the WHO: The USA is #1 on cost, #37 on quality of care.
http://www.who.int/healthinfo/paper30.pdf

For those less fond of raw statistical data, a slightly more dated, but much clearer, chart can be found on Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000

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Posted 4/28/16

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lSuperbuffShaft wrote:America is 18 trillion and more in debt. How long do you think this gravy train is going to ride.

it amazes me how some people accept happily that the government spend several hundred billions on weaponry, but when it comes to actually investing in something worthwhile such as healthcare, they shudder. the same republicans also actively oppose any measure to tackle global warming, but that's another story.


Well, even after cutting back on the space program and the military, somehow they still managed to get the debt to that amount. It's as much as who is planning the allocations as much as it is what they're allocating to. Neither party is any better off at this lately.
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Posted 4/28/16
the ACA is horrible. high monthly costs, insane deductibles, and nasty penalties for not wanting the crappy insurance. Not sure how the supreme court can rule in favor of it when it hurts more people than it helps. People can claim the tax credit but its really just a loan that you have to pay back every year so that doesnt even help. better to just have low hours at work and get on medicare.
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This sort of thing is why the ACA exists.

http://www.rd.com/health/wellness/wildly-overinflated-hospital-costs/

Doctors were not held accountable for over-charging, bogus charging and over-prescribing.

I remember when my Father died he was listed as D.O.A. at his work place. They took him to the hospital and wrote out a death certificate. They billed us $1,800 (which inflation calculators say would be $4,200 now) for tests and attempt at resuscitation. Witnesses at the scene (including one who rode with the body, Dad's supervisor, said the whole scene included the following)...

EMTs arrive, check for pulse
EMT to Dad's co-worker: "how long ago did he die ?"
Co-worker: "it's been about 20 minutes now"
EMT: "he isn't coming back", puts body in the ambulance, rides to the hospital
Emergency Room Dr: "what do we have here ?"
EMT: "dead worker"
Dr: "time?"
EMT: "12:10 am"
Dr:"I'll go write it up"

Does that seem like a resuscitation attempt? Since when is a check for pulse listed as a test? We asked the friend who rode with the body and he told me they spent the whole trip back talking about sports scores.
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i just hate that you have to have insurance to avoid getting fined a thousand bucks on taxes. we are forced to have it one way or another. i don't like being forced to do something even if it's for my own good
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Posted 4/28/16
Well let's be honest. It's a great idea everyone gets healthcare. No reason a person born in the United States should not. However, how it's funded is what ticked everyone off. If there were some way people didn't have to pay more taxes for it, nobody would bat an eye about it.
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