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Beheading in France; ISIS attack in Tunisia
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My sisters muslim. She's a convert born to protestant mother and catholic father.. she chooses to wear the hijab in our neighbourhood which is almost 100% white middle class who stare and make rude comments. Islam is at her core, and she's the most respectable, kindest, unprejediced and normal people you'll meet. She was crying a lot today, not only does she have to get abused and treated like an alien for her beliefs even in her own house by her mom's boyfriend but she has to see the name of her most treasured thing smeared constantly for things that only the attackers are responsible for. People can twist any religious ideology to become a mould of there own hateful disposition, but something has to form inside this person to have such lack of humanity which can't be attributed to anything but the person themselves.

The whole muslim world condemns these attacks! there's fighters in every country in the middle east armed to fight against twisted terrorist groups. Your thoughts never extend to those who you think aren't worthy of being treated human, you think they deserve harassment when they lose even more every time something like this happens. Ethnocentric news channels will never treat muslims the same way they'd treat what they deem to be closer to the West.


As someone who is not in any way associated with that particular faith I wish everyone in this thread would read this, it's not hard to look out and see how many innocent people are being discriminated against because of a few nut jobs who try to brand themselves with the same faith. Well put.
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Yes, we should all stick to peaceful religions. Such as Anglican Christianity between like ... 1300 AD to 1890ish ...
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The problem with modern Islam is they don't openly protest such atrocities but whenever someone shows a picture of Mohammad there quick to protest, burn, and kill. If Christians did the same every time Jesus is mock then all the lefties would be saying look at those crazy christians and counter protesting. I have yet to see any comedians poke fun at militant Islamist. Typical double standard from the left.
In any modern country if you make fun of Christians your more than likely to walk away alive try this in the middle east and you be lucky to walk away with all your limbs intact.
http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/article/radical-islam%E2%80%99s-global-reaction-push-blasphemy-laws
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noka_ wrote:

My sisters muslim. She's a convert born to protestant mother and catholic father.. she chooses to wear the hijab in our neighbourhood which is almost 100% white middle class who stare and make rude comments. Islam is at her core, and she's the most respectable, kindest, unprejediced and normal people you'll meet. She was crying a lot today, not only does she have to get abused and treated like an alien for her beliefs even in her own house by her mom's boyfriend but she has to see the name of her most treasured thing smeared constantly for things that only the attackers are responsible for. People can twist any religious ideology to become a mould of there own hateful disposition, but something has to form inside this person to have such lack of humanity which can't be attributed to anything but the person themselves.

The whole muslim world condemns these attacks! there's fighters in every country in the middle east armed to fight against twisted terrorist groups. Your thoughts never extend to those who you think aren't worthy of being treated human, you think they deserve harassment when they lose even more every time something like this happens. Ethnocentric news channels will never treat muslims the same way they'd treat what they deem to be closer to the West.


That's sad but she isn't the victim here, the people who are family, parents, friends of those who died today are the victims. She has the free will to change her religion without getting killed (unlike in the middle east) and she don't even need to wear the hijab as it's more of a regional thing and not even mentioned in their faith. All this body covering comes from illiterate, uneducated men who wish to keep control over their women.


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Don't Dante me lol, religion is the cause of most wars, different view = conflict. Some might say "well those people are inherently bad", but I don't believe when someone is born, their path is already set to being evil or good.


I would dispute that. Nearly every war has been centered around the acquisition of land/territory.


Yeah that's true for recent times, but more in the Stone Age / Medieval times Religeon played an important role, and lets not forget ISIS are still living in the stone age, not modern.



No, religion may have been used as a tool to justify acquisition of land and motivate populations to go to war but I get the overwhelming feeling if they didn't use religion to move people to their cause there would be some other reason found. The plain truth of the matter is you don't go kill somebody for a religion that tells you not to kill. You go kill people because you are malicious and warped in the head and you want some justification to do it. And if you can twist it around enough to fit your need then you do it for "religion".

I often find myself in disagreement with Ai's comments but hands down he's got the right of it here, your arguments are just plain bad. Don't blame all of Islam for a few loose screws.


First you make an assumption like history would of found some other reason, well they didn't, the reason was religion. Then think you can tell me what the truth of the matter is, in which you state "Don't go kill somebody for a religion that tells you not to kill" which is a lie.
There is a lot of pages in their religion which do in fact state to kill others, disbelievers etc. So don't bullshit me.


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Yes, we should all stick to peaceful religions. Such as Anglican Christianity between like ... 1300 AD to 1890ish ...


Christianity has actually evolved since then, unlike Islam.
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Oh shut up. Like you're any better than anybody else.
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When they know true war then they would mostly not do it agian, children.. thats what some call that behavior with such ideas http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-33256007
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The problem with modern Islam is they don't openly protest such atrocities but whenever someone shows a picture of Mohammad there quick to protest, burn, and kill. If Christians did the same every time Jesus is mock then all the lefties would be saying look at those crazy christians and counter protesting. I have yet to see any comedians poke fun at militant Islamist. Typical double standard from the left.
In any modern country if you make fun of Christians your more than likely to walk away alive try this in the middle east and you be lucky to walk away with all your limbs intact.
http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/article/radical-islam%E2%80%99s-global-reaction-push-blasphemy-laws


Theres a big difference there. In the US christianity can take ribbing, they are the dominant religion and will likely never face oppression. Islam is different and its a culture were many a hate crime is committed against it. Making fun of Islam is just kicking a culture when its down. Also


I have yet to see any comedians poke fun at militant Islamist


Jeff Dunham. He is a fucking awful unfunny comedian but he makes fun of Militant Islam.

But your whining about "Muh Left" makes me Kek.
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Oh shut up. Like you're any better than anybody else.


I'm better than those scum who go around killing I think. I also think I'm better considering I can actually think for myself, rather than give up some sense of my identity to fit-in to some strict regime of a religion. Now go cry about it on tumblr.
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Nobodyofimportance wrote:


Oh shut up. Like you're any better than anybody else.


I'm better than those scum who go around killing I think. I also think I'm better considering I can actually think for myself, rather than give up some sense of my identity to fit-in to some strict regime of a religion. Now go cry about it on tumblr.


Bull. You probably can't even say where the ideas you think come from. You've been eating from the palms of what other people tell you for your entire life. Don't delude yourself otherwise.
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Bull. You probably can't even say where the ideas you think come from. You've been eating from the palms of what other people tell you for your entire life. Don't delude yourself otherwise.


Not really sure what you're trying to get at except by making an assumption but don't talk like you know me. I'm done posting in this thread anyway, it was a spur of the moment thing, but I still don't like nor agree with the religion nor am I obliged to. Nor do I 'have' to respect it, respect is earned, not just given by demand.

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No dip they didn't find another reason, religion worked. Go look up just about any study of what a majority faction can do to influence another. By finding a majority and then propagating this majority to action you are using them for an agenda. I don't know what's in the Islamic religion of the many subsets of it, I do know the overwhelming if not absolute majority of Islamic faith I have talked to have condemned violence for any reason. This is irrelevant though so I'll say it loud and clear.

You are simplifying things so they can be twisted to your own sad opinion. Stop doing this, put away your childish biases and look at the greater picture (like the sister of the previous poster) and you will find bigoted threads like this are counter-productive to everyone. Make a thread to express your sympathy to the victim next time something happens, don't push your intolerant ideas about an entire faith based on a very small minorities eccentric actions on to everyone else.
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No dip they didn't find another reason, religion worked. Go look up just about any study of what a majority faction can do to influence another. By finding a majority and then propagating this majority to action you are using them for an agenda. I don't know what's in the Islamic religion of the many subsets of it, I do know the overwhelming if not absolute majority of Islamic faith I have talked to have condemned violence for any reason. This is irrelevant though so I'll say it loud and clear.

You are simplifying things so they can be twisted to your own sad opinion. Stop doing this, put away your childish biases and look at the greater picture (like the sister of the previous poster) and you will find bigoted threads like this are counter-productive to everyone. Make a thread to express your sympathy to the victim next time something happens, don't push your intolerant ideas about an entire faith based on a very small minorities eccentric actions on to everyone else.

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No, because Christians don't victimize themselves.



you're joking, right?


I really hope so.

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You are simplifying things so they can be twisted to your own sad opinion.


Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Quran (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."


That's just to name a few. I don't think it gets much more simple than that, cya.

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