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I see numerous people insult others for being homosexual or atleast rumoring them to be, but whats so wrong with homosexuality? Nowadays its accepted so why do people still do it?
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Outdated notions and the fact that it gets a rise out of people.
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probably because it isn't as widely accepted as we think. idk it could be a product of their religion, lifestyle, upbringing, family, or just them being an idiot. i see most hate coming from old people who still think it's their world and it's all still the same.
Posted 6/29/15
Only about decades ago being gay was taboo and a bad thing.

AIDS did this, with the public opinion being any gay person was going to infect them with AIDS so they were ostracized.


Also gender roles. Men are supposed to be men, whereas insinuating they aren't manly is an insult.
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tridragon1 wrote:

I see numerous people insult others for being homosexual or atleast rumoring them to be, but whats so wrong with homosexuality? Nowadays its accepted so why do people still do it?


Even 10-yo.'s use "That's so gay" not as an attack on manhood or sexuality, but as an insult to someone they think is acting unnaturally, self-indulgently, and gratingly immature compared to everyone else around them:
"You want to watch Disney movies instead of Star Wars?...That's so gay!"

And once we grow up--at least, some of us do--we start to be more conscious of the gay community "Circling the wagons", "Getting grabby", and trying desperately to enforce a cultural illusion of unity by acting as cartoon-stereotypic as possible (it's striking back!), assuming that everything at least two or three of them like is "theirs" or is broadcasting a "buried subtext" like a secret club code, and that anyone who appropriates any of their "property" is secretly holding a membership card or hoping for one.
To the point that their pettiness started deliberately using it as a weapon to strike back or witch-hunt anyone they thought was bothering them, like those "25 Celebrities We've Outed!" gossip-tabloid issues, or publicly giggling and grave-dancing over Roy Cohn's closet revelations and eventual death from AIDS. (Hence the "AIDS Revenge" fantasy, which their "female-like" image of nyah-nyah pettiness made all too plausible.)


AiYumega wrote:Also gender roles. Men are supposed to be men, whereas insinuating they aren't manly is an insult.


In the old days, guys were taught to be the ideal Gentleman, who could take a girl out to a restaurant without embarrassing themselves or her, hold the door open, drive her there in the best car, could read the wine list and know the right steak to order, arrive dressed to perfection, and be perfectly understanding and civilized before, during and after, to help install the idea that the girl could stop looking and had found the perfect guy to share a bed with and trust with their kids.

Used to be that the term "Metrosexual" referred to any such Frasier-like straight male who committed the unpardonable crime of being smart, enough to enjoy cooking or old films, possess a profound apathy for NFL or NASCAR, or who could happen to identify the plots of at least two operas or Broadway shows, and only suffered the confusion of being mistaken for the stereotypes that gays had so loudly and publicly appropriated for their "own".
Now even that term has been appropriated because the gay community thought it was cute to wield against the straights, and now most heterosexual males are almost literally terrified to admit in public that they're not moronic slobs, as culture has taught them to be in contrast. Females now look for a mythical "GBF", dreaming that the only casual male-female socialization they'll find is with a sexually emasculated unthreatening male who they dream possesses understanding, conversation of their issues, and a respect for finer things, and they no longer believe they'll find it among hetero males.
If there's any deep-rooted hostility the straights have against the gay community, it could probably be most essentially summed up as "MIND YOUR OWN F***ING BUSINESS." So to speak.
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Wow you have issues.
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People will insult other people for any reason; all you can do is ignore it. They are like trolls, so don't feed them. Because trying to reason with them will just get them more fired up, since people really stick to their opinions unless they are on the fence about them.
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Even 10-yo.'s use "That's so gay" not as an attack on manhood or sexuality, but as an insult to someone they think is acting unnaturally, self-indulgently, and gratingly immature compared to everyone else around them:
"You want to watch Disney movies instead of Star Wars?...That's so gay!"

And once we grow up--at least, some of us do--we start to be more conscious of the gay community "Circling the wagons", "Getting grabby", and trying desperately to enforce a cultural illusion of unity by acting as cartoon-stereotypic as possible (it's striking back!), assuming that everything at least two or three of them like is "theirs", and that anyone who appropriates any of their "property" is secretly holding a membership card or hoping for one.
To the point that their pettiness started deliberately using it as a weapon to strike back or witch-hunt anyone they thought was bothering them, like those "25 Celebrities We've Outed!" gossip-tabloid issues, or publicly giggling and grave-dancing over Roy Cohn's closet revelations and eventual death from AIDS. (Hence the "AIDS Revenge" fantasy, which their "female-like" image of nyah-nyah pettiness made all too plausible.)

Used to be that the term "Metrosexual" referred to any Frasier-like straight male who committed the unpardonable crime of being smart, enough to enjoy cooking or old films, possess a profound apathy for NFL or NASCAR, or who could happen to identify the plots of at least two operas or Broadway shows.
Now even that term has been appropriated because the gay community thought it was cute to wield against the straights, and now most heterosexual males are almost literally terrified to admit in public that they're not moronic slobs, as culture has taught them to be in contrast.
If there's any deep-rooted hostility the straights have against the gay community, it could probably be most essentially summed up as "MIND YOUR OWN F***ING BUSINESS." So to speak.

Such as when people use "you're a fa**ot." I tried explaining to some overly sensitive dude that you can be straight and still be a fa**ot. You can be gay and not be a fa**ot. In that context, being a fa**ot means that you're a fruity, soft, whiny fairy that is too beta to do something. I don't even call gay people fa**ots to refer to their homosexuality. I just call them gays or homosexuals. Just like how I call heterosexual people "straight" or "heterosexual." The other words don't mean much of anything to me.

I think the meaning behind the word is most important, but the problem is that terms like "fa**ot" have been adopted by homosexuals to refer to homosexuals. I don't even consider "fa**ot" as meaning "homosexual" but different people construe words differently, so I try my best not to use these words around people who will take them the wrong way. If I slip, I explain myself. They often don't listen but, meh, I tried. I know I'm trying to be a decent person so I can sleep soundly at night. I might still be explaining myself inefficiently, but as long as my actions reflect my morals, I don't care to spend too much time debating about what a word means. The meaning is more important than the word that symbolizes it.

It's basically like speaking a different dialect. It's pretty pointless to argue about the word itself if there's a fundamental disagreement about the meaning. Nobody can ever win that argument since they're not even on the same page. It's like trying to teach a parrot to say "hello" by throwing steaks at it or something.
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my only issues towards the gay community is the ones that are jerks that demand equality but then there equality is there way or the highway not equality for all. oh no I believe sex with the same gender is a sin but I am not gonna be all your going to hell for it. I am sincerely hoping there happy. but then there are parts of the gay community that call me a bigot when I accept them for who they are yet they obviously cant accept me. I believe to each there own. if the person has a good personality there religion sexual preference and stuff don't matter. hey if there a jerk I still think it don't matter that person is a jerk because they are a jerk but a lot will turn it on me for being a bigot.
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Imagine someone calling you something you aren't. There you have it.
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I think many accept ones homosexuality rather then accepting thier behavior (some really have to show it, and the some others can't live with since they feel its unormal)
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I must say that times are changing, though. I'm trying to kick the habit of using words that have become a part of the homosexual identity as insults. Slowly but surely. But gays have to do their part and acknowledge how the words were used in the past. It's unrealistic to expect everyone to undergo this sudden change. They need to be tolerant of slip ups and need to be patient in waiting for change. Having a yelling match and refusing to see the other side only galvanizes their position against you.
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Morbidhanson wrote:

I must say that times are changing, though. I'm trying to kick the habit of using words that have become a part of the homosexual identity as insults. Slowly but surely. But gays have to do their part and acknowledge how the words were used in the past. It's unrealistic to expect everyone to undergo this sudden change. They need to be tolerant of slip ups and need to be patient in waiting for change. Having a yelling match and refusing to see the other side only galvanizes their position against you.


It's true of any minority that self-defensively tries to rattle "Unity!" sabers in the face of social persecution (look at the Black-Power or Native-rights movements in the 60's, or early angry-feminism in the 70's):
To say "You're not one of us!" is to say "We're not one of you!" Which is a bit of a conversation ender, as the other person is likely to respond, "Fine. Have it your way. You're NOT."

It's really neat-o, for a while, and gives you that little thrill of feeling important. The harder trick is when the novelty wears off, and you want to make it stop. We haven't quite figured out that part yet.
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I doubt they actually make fun of people for being gay unless they're some old meat head stuck in the old ways. When someone says something is gay or someone is being a fag, that doesn't mean an actual insult to gay people. Those terms are just used randomly like idiot, moron, douche, and other random offences. If someone on my team is sitting in a corner all day and not helping or contributing because he thinks he's a pro sniper, I'm gonna call him a faggot.
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It will change.It'll just take time.
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