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It will allways be different but thats how we are different.
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Even 10-yo.'s use "That's so gay" not as an attack on manhood or sexuality, but as an insult to someone they think is acting unnaturally, self-indulgently, and gratingly immature compared to everyone else around them:
"You want to watch Disney movies instead of Star Wars?...That's so gay!"

And once we grow up--at least, some of us do--we start to be more conscious of the gay community "Circling the wagons", "Getting grabby", and trying desperately to enforce a cultural illusion of unity by acting as cartoon-stereotypic as possible (it's striking back!), assuming that everything at least two or three of them like is "theirs", and that anyone who appropriates any of their "property" is secretly holding a membership card or hoping for one.
To the point that their pettiness started deliberately using it as a weapon to strike back or witch-hunt anyone they thought was bothering them, like those "25 Celebrities We've Outed!" gossip-tabloid issues, or publicly giggling and grave-dancing over Roy Cohn's closet revelations and eventual death from AIDS. (Hence the "AIDS Revenge" fantasy, which their "female-like" image of nyah-nyah pettiness made all too plausible.)

Used to be that the term "Metrosexual" referred to any Frasier-like straight male who committed the unpardonable crime of being smart, enough to enjoy cooking or old films, possess a profound apathy for NFL or NASCAR, or who could happen to identify the plots of at least two operas or Broadway shows.
Now even that term has been appropriated because the gay community thought it was cute to wield against the straights, and now most heterosexual males are almost literally terrified to admit in public that they're not moronic slobs, as culture has taught them to be in contrast.
If there's any deep-rooted hostility the straights have against the gay community, it could probably be most essentially summed up as "MIND YOUR OWN F***ING BUSINESS." So to speak.

Such as when people use "you're a fa**ot." I tried explaining to some overly sensitive dude that you can be straight and still be a fa**ot. You can be gay and not be a fa**ot. In that context, being a fa**ot means that you're a fruity, soft, whiny fairy that is too beta to do something. I don't even call gay people fa**ots to refer to their homosexuality. I just call them gays or homosexuals. Just like how I call heterosexual people "straight" or "heterosexual." The other words don't mean much of anything to me.

I think the meaning behind the word is most important, but the problem is that terms like "fa**ot" have been adopted by homosexuals to refer to homosexuals. I don't even consider "fa**ot" as meaning "homosexual" but different people construe words differently, so I try my best not to use these words around people who will take them the wrong way. If I slip, I explain myself. They often don't listen but, meh, I tried. I know I'm trying to be a decent person so I can sleep soundly at night. I might still be explaining myself inefficiently, but as long as my actions reflect my morals, I don't care to spend too much time debating about what a word means. The meaning is more important than the word that symbolizes it.

It's basically like speaking a different dialect. It's pretty pointless to argue about the word itself if there's a fundamental disagreement about the meaning. Nobody can ever win that argument since they're not even on the same page. It's like trying to teach a parrot to say "hello" by throwing steaks at it or something.


Faggot my have it's meaning for you. But it wasn't adopted by gays it was forced upon them. The term meant gay in the most harsh way possible "A flaming faggot". Asking Gays to forget that is like asking blacks to ignore the N word. you didn't mean anything racist, honest.

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Sometimes I use the word "gay" to describe things that are stupid. Worst example I can think of right now is when in 2009 there was an Apache pilot who got discharged from the Army because they discovered that he was gay; when I heard that I was like "Wow; that's gay." He was honorably discharged, but still the reason for his discharge was due to DADT still being in effect. But I admit that using "gay" to describe the event was a poor choice of word.

These days, as part of my obligation(?) to get with the times, I refrain from using "gay" to describe stupid things. I use "lame" instead. If I say something's gay, someone will think I'm attacking homosexuals, because people like to monolith things.
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Gross1985 wrote:These days, as part of my obligation(?) to get with the times, I refrain from using "gay" to describe stupid things. I use "lame" instead. If I say something's gay, someone will think I'm attacking homosexuals, because people like to monolith things.


Again, even using "Gay" in a non-sexual context shouldn't mean something as general as "Stupid" or "Like, lame", when it's specifically the cringing stupid feeling you get watching someone make a spectacular, if socially anemic, fool of themselves thinking they're the life of the party and/or center of attention, in ways we ourselves would never, ever, ever, ever do........EVER.

In the old days, we were too publicly innocent in our views to think that Liberace, Paul Lynde, Charles Nelson Reilly, the Village People, or Alan Seus on the old "Laugh-In" show might actually be living Alternate Lifestyles offstage, but even then, it's fair to say, we didn't consider their sanitized onstage personas inspirational role models to pattern ourselves after, either.
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tridragon1 wrote:

I see numerous people insult others for being homosexual or atleast rumoring them to be, but whats so wrong with homosexuality? Nowadays its accepted so why do people still do it?


Even 10-yo.'s use "That's so gay" not as an attack on manhood or sexuality, but as an insult to someone they think is acting unnaturally, self-indulgently, and gratingly immature compared to everyone else around them:
"You want to watch Disney movies instead of Star Wars?...That's so gay!"

And once we grow up--at least, some of us do--we start to be more conscious of the gay community "Circling the wagons", "Getting grabby", and trying desperately to enforce a cultural illusion of unity by acting as cartoon-stereotypic as possible (it's striking back!), assuming that everything at least two or three of them like is "theirs" or is broadcasting a "buried subtext" like a secret club code, and that anyone who appropriates any of their "property" is secretly holding a membership card or hoping for one.
To the point that their pettiness started deliberately using it as a weapon to strike back or witch-hunt anyone they thought was bothering them, like those "25 Celebrities We've Outed!" gossip-tabloid issues, or publicly giggling and grave-dancing over Roy Cohn's closet revelations and eventual death from AIDS. (Hence the "AIDS Revenge" fantasy, which their "female-like" image of nyah-nyah pettiness made all too plausible.)


AiYumega wrote:Also gender roles. Men are supposed to be men, whereas insinuating they aren't manly is an insult.


In the old days, guys were taught to be the ideal Gentleman, who could take a girl out to a restaurant without embarrassing themselves or her, hold the door open, drive her there in the best car, could read the wine list and know the right steak to order, arrive dressed to perfection, and be perfectly understanding and civilized before, during and after, to help install the idea that the girl could stop looking and had found the perfect guy to share a bed with and trust with their kids.

Used to be that the term "Metrosexual" referred to any such Frasier-like straight male who committed the unpardonable crime of being smart, enough to enjoy cooking or old films, possess a profound apathy for NFL or NASCAR, or who could happen to identify the plots of at least two operas or Broadway shows, and only suffered the confusion of being mistaken for the stereotypes that gays had so loudly and publicly appropriated for their "own".
Now even that term has been appropriated because the gay community thought it was cute to wield against the straights, and now most heterosexual males are almost literally terrified to admit in public that they're not moronic slobs, as culture has taught them to be in contrast. Females now look for a mythical "GBF", dreaming that the only casual male-female socialization they'll find is with a sexually emasculated unthreatening male who they dream possesses understanding, conversation of their issues, and a respect for finer things, and they no longer believe they'll find it among hetero males.
If there's any deep-rooted hostility the straights have against the gay community, it could probably be most essentially summed up as "MIND YOUR OWN F***ING BUSINESS." So to speak.


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Gross1985 wrote:These days, as part of my obligation(?) to get with the times, I refrain from using "gay" to describe stupid things. I use "lame" instead. If I say something's gay, someone will think I'm attacking homosexuals, because people like to monolith things.


Again, even using "Gay" in a non-sexual context shouldn't mean something as general as "Stupid", when it's actually the cringing stupid feeling you get watching someone make a spectacular fool of themselves thinking they're the life of the party and/or center of attention, in ways we ourselves would never, ever, ever, ever do........EVER.

In the old days, we were too publicly innocent in our views to think that Liberace, Paul Lynde, Charles Nelson Reilly, the Village People, or Alan Seus on the old "Laugh-In" show might actually be living Alternate Lifestyles offstage, but even then, it's fair to say, we didn't consider their sanitized onstage personas inspirational role models to pattern ourselves after, either.

Well, I know "gay" is a synonym for "happy". But that's a particularly tough one, and could apply as a challenge towards men; if they are very happy and expressive about their happiness, they might be called "gay".

Or, I recall an old Looney Tunes episode with this old Easter Rabbit and one of the things he says is "I'm supposed to be happy and gay." At that part I snickered because he used the word "gay". But, back then, "gay" wasn't used in the way it is now.

And I agree with how times were way back when. They were mostly innocent times. These days everything seems to revolve around sex, and it's hard to talk about things or look at things without being accused or making a certain insinuation.
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Gross1985 wrote:


Ejanss wrote:
Again, even using "Gay" in a non-sexual context shouldn't mean something as general as "Stupid", when it's actually the cringing stupid feeling you get watching someone make a spectacular fool of themselves thinking they're the life of the party and/or center of attention, in ways we ourselves would never, ever, ever, ever do........EVER.

Well, I know "gay" is a synonym for "happy". But that's a particularly tough one, and could apply as a challenge towards men; if they are very happy and expressive about their happiness, they might be called "gay"..


The root of the term is that in Shakespeare's day, "Gay" specifically referred to someone who dressed in bright colors, which.......not too many people did, unless they were rather removed from the common working man, foppishly sheltered from the physical hardships of the world, were overbearingly cheery and loose-living to an annoying extreme, were profoundly and unhealthily in love with their own selves rather than any females around them, and desperately showing off for attention.

Even without the high fashion-industry demographics, it's pretty easy to see how the term evolved.
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I see numerous people insult others for being homosexual or atleast rumoring them to be, but whats so wrong with homosexuality? Nowadays its accepted so why do people still do it?



Because they feel sick, uncomfortable as hell.. Its not consider normal. Its like seeing Cat with Goat.. now isn't that werid?

Man and Woman are meant to be together, That how God made us to be, I was told that Gay/Les were created by Satan and his demons in order to lure people away from God and his son Jesus Christ.

Also when they were young their older sister/brother or older friends would often make fun of other saying see that guy he look gay as hell!, Or you watch Movie where people make fun of Gay people and that its consider not normal..

Its how we were raised..

My Niece is Les, and it took me a while to accept her, because I care for her happiness.. Mother and I were in denial for a while, we thought its just a phase she going though.. but finally accept for who she is.



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These people want to live in the past and use their Holy book to justify their bigoted views.


If you want to live in the 18th century then fine. But when we get spaceships no spaceships for you.
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These people want to live in the past and use their Holy book to justify their bigoted views.


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LONGNAMEYOUWONTMISS wrote:

These people want to live in the past and use their Holy book to justify their bigoted views.


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(Ie., the other 10-yo.s' interpretation of "That's so gay", the easily-hurt vulnerable violet whose protest to any mistreating is to take the "female" social/emotional response and say "Why do you have to be so mean, can't we make a better, more understanding world where we all get along?"--or the "girly" manipulative/backbiting "I know you are, but what am I?"--instead of taking any directly confident or assertive action against it for their own benefit.
At 10-yo., consider any attempt at noble victimization a social disaster in the making with your peers, and it doesn't exactly age well either. )
Posted 6/29/15

Ejanss wrote:


severticas wrote:


LONGNAMEYOUWONTMISS wrote:

These people want to live in the past and use their Holy book to justify their bigoted views.


hah gaiiiiiiiii


(Ie., the other 10-yo.s' interpretation of "That's so gay", the easily-hurt vulnerable violet whose protest to any mistreating is to take the "female" social/emotional response and say "Why do you have to be so mean, can't we make a better, more understanding world where we all get along?"--or the "girly" manipulative/backbiting "I know you are, but what am I?"--instead of taking any directly confident or assertive action against it for their own benefit.
At 10-yo., consider any attempt at noble victimization a social disaster in the making, and it doesn't exactly age well either. )


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That's how insults work, by questioning a part of your identity. Calling someone an idiot questions their perception of themselves as being smart, calling someone a fake or a poser challanges their status as part of a group, calling someone gay questions their sexuality ect. If it doesn't question the identity of the target it ain't insulting and with the fact that the vast majority of people are heterosexual it's an almost guaranteed hit on the identity. If half of the population were to be homosexual it would be way less effective and would hardly ever be used.
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That's like asking why people are stupid... no one can truly answer it correctly lol
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