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Posted 6/29/15

Ejanss wrote:

(Hey, I was just agreeing with you, but as long as it's Classic and not one of the Dark or Peanut-Butter ones...)


No, you were agreeing with Moridhanson, see front page of this thread.
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Homophobia is mostly due to repressed homosexual urges. The repression quite obviously and undeniably began with the various major religions' baffling disgust of sexuality in general and unhealthy fixation on sexual propriety -- The result is that many repressed bisexuals and homosexuals see what disgusts them about themselves in the LGBT community and, as it is a reflection of themselves, take it as an assault upon their own self-image. (This also explains conservatives' otherwise perplexing fears of gay marriage somehow destroying their own marriages.)

Hopefully as religions lose their sway, the use of homosexuality as defamation will go far away into the annuls of history, just as other odious, religiously-sanctioned practices like slavery, witch-burning, and marital rape have before.
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Posted 6/29/15

megahobbit wrote:

Outdated notions and the fact that it gets a rise out of people.


Pretty much this.
Posted 6/29/15

ProfessorFaust wrote:

Homophobia is mostly due to repressed homosexual urges. The repression quite obviously and undeniably began with the various major religions' baffling disgust of sexuality in general and unhealthy fixation on sexual propriety -- The result is that many repressed bisexuals and homosexuals see what disgusts them about themselves in the LGBT community and, as it is a reflection of themselves, take it as an assault upon their own self-image. (This also explains conservatives' otherwise perplexing fears of gay marriage somehow destroying their own marriages.)

Hopefully as religions lose their sway, the use of homosexuality as defamation will go far away into the annuls of history, just as other odious, religiously-sanctioned practices like slavery, witch-burning, and marital rape have before.


Then maybe people should like homophobics and embrace them.
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Posted 6/29/15 , edited 6/29/15
That might provoke a different response from what you want, severticas.
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Posted 6/29/15

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I see numerous people insult others for being homosexual or atleast rumoring them to be, but whats so wrong with homosexuality? Nowadays its accepted so why do people still do it?


Short Answer: Homophobia and Misogyny

Longer Answer:

Embedded in our very language is a hierarchy that puts a 'masculine' or 'macho' man at the pinnacle and makes everyone else the lessor.
We say of men we admire "He's got balls" or not that man striving for dominance is "trying to show how big his dick is". Conversely we denigrate men by emasculating them or feminizing them: No Balls, Dickless, Pantywaist, Pussy, Throws/Runs like girl, girly man etc. Women of course not being men and being by definition effeminate don't even enter the picture, unless they defy the rules and are thus 'a bitch'.

A man being gay or in any way effeminate (how most gays are portrayed when in fact they can be quite macho) obviously fits into this paradigm as something lessor. Which is why Gay, Gayass, Faggot are labels applied to people and behaviours that do not line up with in your face machismo. And also very threatening to a man since it attacks his position at the pinnacle of the unwritten hierarchy of importance in the world.
Posted 6/29/15
Sometimes homophobia more or less does mean fear in the case of many religious fundamentalists. Some people actually believe that its a sign of the "end times" , and that gay marriage, etc, is a de facto attack on the church, and consequently their way of life, they often say, "I told you this was going to happen", or "I read it in the bible" , according to their own interpretation of biblical text. For decades if not hundreds of years fanatics predicted the end was nigh, and for hundreds of years, they were wrong. Things like GPS chips put in dogs some believe will be put in people, and is how the mark of the beast will be implemented so you cannot buy or sell anything w/o said chip, and condemn one to hell if you get one etc. Back on point, literal interpretations of the bible which is regarded infallible give rise to these fears, and stories such as Sodom and Gomorrah being destroyed due to implied homosexuality. They get their panties in a bunch when gay rights has really nothing to do with them and poses no threat to their religion whatsoever. I can only surmise that religion inexorably espouses intolerance at its core values and morals.
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Posted 6/29/15 , edited 6/29/15
Because his name isn't Rick



But actually I'm not sure. I've been called gay and never got upset over it.
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Posted 6/29/15 , edited 6/29/15

papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Faggot my have it's meaning for you. But it wasn't adopted by gays it was forced upon them. The term meant gay in the most harsh way possible "A flaming faggot". Asking Gays to forget that is like asking blacks to ignore the N word. you didn't mean anything racist, honest.


It originally referred to a bundle of sticks. I used it as a device for memorization during a class when a teacher told us to remember that a "true owner of property has five rights, the full bundle of sticks, imagine it that way."

Maybe I wordsd that poorly and I was being too roundabout. I mean that in the way that I mean they accepted an insult and used it to refer to themselves. Sort of how black people call each other nigs. I never understood that. It only seems okay when gay people use the word. I don't see it happening with words like "chink" or "wetback." Why does it happen with some words and not others? When someone says certain words, it is necessarily an insult while some people can use them all the time. And some words are just always bad? It is puzzling.

I try my best to avoid using them at all but merely saying the words doesn't make me racist or homophobic.
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Posted 6/29/15

Morbidhanson wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Faggot my have it's meaning for you. But it wasn't adopted by gays it was forced upon them. The term meant gay in the most harsh way possible "A flaming faggot". Asking Gays to forget that is like asking blacks to ignore the N word. you didn't mean anything racist, honest.



Maybe I wordsd that poorly and I was being too roundabout. I mean that in the way that I mean they accepted an insult and used it to refer to themselves. Sort of how black people call each other nigs. I never understood that. It only seems okay when gay people use the word. I don't see it happening with words like "chink" or "wetback." Why does it happen with some words and not others? When someone says certain words, it is necessarily an insult while some people can use them all the time. And some words are just always bad?


I'd argue that bad words are bad for everybody. It's quite apparent however that not everyone agrees with me.

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Posted 6/29/15 , edited 6/29/15

papagolfwhiskey wrote:


Morbidhanson wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Faggot my have it's meaning for you. But it wasn't adopted by gays it was forced upon them. The term meant gay in the most harsh way possible "A flaming faggot". Asking Gays to forget that is like asking blacks to ignore the N word. you didn't mean anything racist, honest.



Maybe I wordsd that poorly and I was being too roundabout. I mean that in the way that I mean they accepted an insult and used it to refer to themselves. Sort of how black people call each other nigs. I never understood that. It only seems okay when gay people use the word. I don't see it happening with words like "chink" or "wetback." Why does it happen with some words and not others? When someone says certain words, it is necessarily an insult while some people can use them all the time. And some words are just always bad?


I'd argue that bad words are bad for everybody. It's quite apparent however that not everyone agrees with me.



There's something uniquely expressive about bad words. They are bad to say yet they are fun to use. I believe intent makes all the difference but some people disagree. I suppose the world is not so convenient.
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Posted 6/29/15

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There's something uniquely expressive about bad words. They are bad to say yet they are fun to use. I believe intent makes all the difference but some people disagree. I suppose the world is not so convenient.


However they can have unsavoury connotations and unintended consequences.
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Posted 6/29/15
Imagine calling a Mexican guy a Puerto Rican. Same kind of concept.
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Posted 6/29/15

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Imagine calling a Mexican guy a Puerto Rican. Same kind of concept.


Speaking about Mexicans that culture is still trying figure out the gay concept. A lot of countries have zero tolerance besides the US and Canada- Latin America base themselves on Machismo lifestyle handed down for centuries change not so easy with heavy background in Catholism super conservative
Posted 6/29/15

ProfessorFaust wrote:

That might provoke a different response from what you want, severticas.


As with everything. Same with your post and by starting with agreement do we end up with limited ends. It doesn't make it necessarily true but it only works as a tactic.
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