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Short Answer: Homophobia and Misogyny


Basically, that gays have their own misogyny of women--for whatever internal reasons you choose to theorize--but aspire to be like those overly objectified aspects they imagine women to have, mostly from old role models like their mothers, or images from movies and TV. And end up overacting ideas of being "teasing", "manipulative", etc., that straight misogynists believe.

In short, if you're not a straight misogynist, and have some respect for women, gays' "performances" come off as something of an insult and what for them could be considered a bigoted stereotype...And if you are a straight misogynist, it's just not helping things any, as the whole pettiness tends to support the old cliche'd arguments.
(To a degree that could be considered "traitorous"--"Who the hell's side are you ON, anyway??")
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Ejanss wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Short Answer: Homophobia and Misogyny


Basically, that gays have their own misogyny of women--for whatever internal reasons you choose to theorize--but aspire to be like those overly objectified aspects they imagine women to have, mostly from old role models like their mothers, or images from movies and TV. And end up overacting ideas of being "teasing", "manipulative", etc., that straight misogynists believe.

In short, if you're not a straight misogynist, and have some respect for women, gays' "performances" come off as something of an insult and what for them could be considered a bigoted stereotype...And if you are a straight misogynist, it's just not helping things any, as the whole pettiness tends to support the old cliche'd arguments.
(To a degree that could be considered "traitorous"--"Who the hell's side are you ON, anyway??")


This strikes me as a rather limited and stereotyped view of gays. not all gays, maybe not even most are as you describe.

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The problem with the word "gay" is that unfortunately, it's become a substitute for "stupid" in Teenage BoyLand. As for the rest, there's a surprising amount of people who still think being attracted to the same sex is an "abomination". Unfortunately.
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Reason 1: It is forbidden in the bible “If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense. Leviticus 20:13

Reason 2: It is immoral

Reason 3: It spreads It is a way higher chance for a gay person to get aids rather than a straight person to get aids.

Reason 4: it is unnatural

Reason 5: It promotes lust, most homosexuals do not love and are blinded by lust

Reason 6: If gay marriage is legalized why cant i marry my sister? or why cant i have two wives.

To sum it up being homosexual is not only wrong, but it hurts other people.
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Reason 1: It is forbidden in the bible “If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense. Leviticus 20:13

Reason 2: It is immoral

Reason 3: It spreads It is a way higher chance for a gay person to get aids rather than a straight person to get aids.

Reason 4: it is unnatural

Reason 5: It promotes lust, most homosexuals do not love and are blinded by lust

Reason 6: If gay marriage is legalized why cant i marry my sister? or why cant i have two wives.

To sum it up being homosexual is not only wrong, but it hurts other people.


Are you for real?


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You've been a member for more than a year, and these are literally your first posts in the forums. If you disapprove that strongly of 'homosexual lifestyles,' I have to wonder why you're even on a site where yaoi & yuri is so readily available.
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You've been a member for more than a year, and these are literally your first posts in the forums. If you disapprove that strongly of 'homosexual lifestyles,' I have to wonder why you're even on a site where yaoi & yuri is so readily available.


Thats like saying why do i live in the usa when there are atheists and muslims around me, I cant help it. Sadly i enjoy anime.
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I think it is just that society so strongly shapes people to be heterosexual. Religious beliefs don't help, either, since the religious will believe that homosexuality is sinful or wrong. We already know that those who don't adhere to accepted social norms become outcasts or are scorned.

IMO, the "unnatural" argument is stupid. Lots of stuff is unnatural and is beneficial, and plenty of things are natural and harmful. Blood transfusions are unnatural. Computers are unnatural. Death cap mushrooms are natural. Cancer is natural. Whether something is natural or unnatural merely tells of the source, not the effect of the actual thing.

The slippery slope argument that allowing homosexuality will allow depravity in the future is also unwarranted. You'd have to prove that certain things WILL happen or have a high chance to if homosexuality is no longer taboo. There's simply a logical disconnect that makes no sense. Like if I say that if I drive to New York, I'm going to see that Statue of Liberty. Just....no.

I'm not closed to the idea of homosexuality being wrong, but there should be way better arguments. Ones that actually are logical. You can convince me to believe anything if you make enough sense.
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In some respects, I think it is more of a linguistic trend - similar to how we still say "goodbye" despite its religious origins. The word had just become separate from the original meaning and eventually started to evolve away from even the initial spelling.

As a slightly more recent and not-so-heavily time-worn example would be the Irish greeting "Dia duit." It literally means "God to you," with none of the linguistic evolution that goodbye has seen, but it doesn't tend to have religious connotations. Even atheists use the phrase.

Gay and fag, I think, are probably similar to that - but, I know, there are still cases where the state of being homosexual is used more directly as an insult. Those instances break down to the residual intolerance that some homosexuals deal with, but I think in many instances is probably more of an insult to the individuals masculinity (or femininity). Even in the more liberal times of the Roman Empire when homosexuality was quite acceptable, it was an insult to be painted as the one on the receiving end - to be the "woman of the relationship," as some people say. It strips the man of what is expected of them, makes them a failure as a man rather than insulting the sexuality specifically.
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I think it is just that society so strongly shapes people to be heterosexual. Religious beliefs don't help, either, since the religious will believe that homosexuality is sinful or wrong. We already know that those who don't adhere to accepted social norms become outcasts or are scorned.

IMO, the "unnatural" argument is stupid. Lots of stuff is unnatural and is beneficial, and plenty of things are natural and harmful. Blood transfusions are unnatural. Computers are unnatural. Death cap mushrooms are natural. Cancer is natural. Whether something is natural or unnatural merely tells of the source, not the effect of the actual thing.

The slippery slope argument that allowing homosexuality will allow depravity in the future is also unwarranted. You'd have to prove that certain things WILL happen or have a high chance to if homosexuality is no longer taboo. There's simply a logical disconnect that makes no sense. Like if I say that if I drive to New York, I'm going to see that Statue of Liberty. Just....no.

I'm not closed to the idea of homosexuality being wrong, but there should be way better arguments. Ones that actually are logical. You can convince me to believe anything if you make enough sense.


So are you suggesting someone well-versed in persuasion can bend your will and that you really have no moral compass? There are some people I would never willfully allow to toy with my mind. Intellectuality without ethics or moral principles is dangerous. Think eugenics programs in nazi germany.
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So are you suggesting someone well-versed in persuasion can bend your will and that you really have no moral compass? There are some people I would never willfully allow to toy with my mind. Intellectuality without ethics or moral principles is dangerous. Think eugenics programs in nazi germany.


Of course I'm not the one that you posed this question to, but given that I could have just as easily been one to say what he did:

I have principles that I stand by, but those are largely based on logic. If someone makes an argument that I find satisfactory, my view is apt to change, and that stands for moral positions as well. There are some things that are hard to argue for, of course, some things are close to impossible - but I won't discount others' views just because I am confident in mine.
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A lot of people are insecure about their sexuality. Some of them may be in the closet and not even know it.
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LadyofAshes wrote:

So are you suggesting someone well-versed in persuasion can bend your will and that you really have no moral compass? There are some people I would never willfully allow to toy with my mind. Intellectuality without ethics or moral principles is dangerous. Think eugenics programs in nazi germany.


Of course I'm not the one that you posed this question to, but given that I could have just as easily been one to say what he did:

I have principles that I stand by, but those are largely based on logic. If someone makes an argument that I find satisfactory, my view is apt to change, and that stands for moral positions as well. There are some things that are hard to argue for, of course, some things are close to impossible - but I won't discount others' views just because I am confident in mine.


That isn't what I was asking. If someone can break your will they can manipulate you to do their bidding, whatever that might be.
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That isn't what I was asking. If someone can break your will they can manipulate you to do their bidding, whatever that might be.


What does breaking will have to do with logical arguments? Leaving the morality of homosexuality open to discussion doesn't really make you apt to become a slave as you seem to be (?) claiming. I thought the question was on moral compasses and what effect they have on beliefs and in what way that impacts the ability of others to persuade oneself?
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wingopanda wrote:

Reason 1: It is forbidden in the bible “If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense. Leviticus 20:13

Reason 2: It is immoral

Reason 3: It spreads It is a way higher chance for a gay person to get aids rather than a straight person to get aids.

Reason 4: it is unnatural

Reason 5: It promotes lust, most homosexuals do not love and are blinded by lust

Reason 6: If gay marriage is legalized why cant i marry my sister? or why cant i have two wives.

To sum it up being homosexual is not only wrong, but it hurts other people.






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