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Posted 6/29/15 , edited 6/30/15
Can we chill with this topic please? Seriously.
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Posted 6/29/15 , edited 6/29/15

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Can we chill with this topic please? Seriously.


Yeah, It's being milked
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The company is going to get sued and lose. The reason is you cannot deny a service and deny a refund at the same time. You must provide either the service or the refund.

No they won't. This took place in St. Petersburg, Florida. According to Florida law non-refundable retainer fees are allowed. However, they must be disclosed up front to the client, and the fees must still be reasonable and not excessive. If this guy has a written & signed contract with that clause, they're out of luck.

Of course he could return the money, but I don't see why he should. By the couple's own admission, it's permissible to deny payment if you disagree with the other party's politics.
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Posted 6/29/15 , edited 6/29/15

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He should be professional and return their money. The photographer is acting like a child.


Why should he? They wrote a contract whit him so he have no obligation what so ever to return their money, if I were him then I would do the same thing by giving their to a gay support organization. Yes he might lose some clients by this, but he'll get much more from doing this


It's called being a PROFESSIONAL. He is acting like a little kid and trying his best to spite those people, that is not how a professional acts.

The only thing he will get out of this is the douchebag award.


He could've said there's no refund policy due to the contract.

And a professional won't break his own contract, yes he could've chosen more "friendly" words to say they won't get their money back to due to the contract. However this was the best way to make him and his company look like money hungry dorks since he clearly stated where he's putting his money.
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DISCLAIMER: Not going to get into a discussion on homosexuality, their community, their rights, etc. I am not saying that either side of the homosexual marriage argument is right, wrong, or the opinion I hold... I am only saying that people have the right to follow individual religious beliefs, that affords the opportunity to support traditional concepts of marriage in the US, just as NOW, homosexual couples are free to follow their personal beliefs and get married. I am only examining this as what how I think things could have been handled with more respect, dignity, and professionalism.

I think the photographer should not have returned the money, and I think he was completely justified in doing what he liked with it.

I don't think that the couple should have expected the money back. I fully support the couple in their decision to not support something they don't believe in, but that is not grounds to nullify a contract. Point blank.

However, the way the photographer handled the situation was completely unprofessional and disgustingly disrespectful. To rub it in the couple's face that the money was going to a cause they felt against, that's a terrible thing.

Yeah, you want to keep the retainer? Fine, you have every right to do that. You also have every right to do what you want with that money, because it is now yours. Just don't make it a point to be disrespectful and unprofessional because you disagree, by telling them you are sending the money they spent to a cause they are firmly against.

Those that want to believe it was handled properly, look at the situation in the inverse. If the photographer was against gay marriage, and supported groups that supported THAT cause, and the couple was a homosexual couple.... well you should get the point.

And it all goes back to that golden rule, treat people how you want to be treated.
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I really hate to admit it. but you've got a point.
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Haters going to hate , LGBT relationships are beautiful just the same as heterosexual relationships I honestly don't see the difference, people say it's unnatural because they can't create children , well there are woman who are barren you know

I just had a slight debate over marriage equality at a family gathering the other day. Basically the entire paternal side of my family tree are ultra conservative fundamentalist Baptist, so there were a lot of peeps whining about the supreme court decision. I decided to speak up and voice my approval, and my aunt tried to debate me with the inability to procreate angle.
She said, "If your parents had been gay, you wouldn't even be here!"
I simply told her that my support of gay marriage in no way meant I was opposed to heterosexual marriage.
Posted 6/29/15 , edited 6/29/15

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Just because someone supports traditional marriage it doesn't mean they're anti-gay...


Yes it does tbh
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Posted 6/29/15

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He should be professional and return their money. The photographer is acting like a child.

Imagine if a photographer that supports traditional marriage agreed to do a wedding for a gay couple and then the gays learned that the photographer is against gay weddings. The gay couple no longer wanted to use that photographer and the photographer refused to give them a refund and donated it to a christian organization. You gays would be up in arms.


No they don't have to it is in the contract that they don't have to this is why when you sign a contract you really should read it first. The problem with your example is the photographer wouldn't even let them through the door if it was a gay couple so they wouldn't need to worry about the money in the first place they would just need to find someone willing.

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That was spiteful and unnecessary. When you're having a back-and-forth like that, it should be all business and nothing personal, even if the other guy starts it. Grit your teeth and deal with it. That's professionalism.

That being said, a contract is a contract. People need to read before signing.
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Posted 6/29/15 , edited 6/29/15
Trying to as objective as possible...

They signed a contract so they shouldn't expect a refund, it would be polite but the photographer isn't wrong in keeping the money. That being said the photographer was being a bit spiteful in that letter. I'd hate to have my money going towards something I didn't believe in, but if I signed a contract there's nothing I can do. It would be nice if the person who has my money didn't rub it in though.
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Idiot Anti-Gay Client Gets Fking Owned
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I would be most interested in the full notice given to the photographer. The couple may have a case.
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Posted 6/29/15 , edited 7/1/15

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Khaltazar wrote:
The company is going to get sued and lose. The reason is you cannot deny a service and deny a refund at the same time. You must provide either the service or the refund.

No they won't. This took place in St. Petersburg, Florida. According to Florida law non-refundable retainer fees are allowed. However, they must be disclosed up front to the client, and the fees must still be reasonable and not excessive. If this guy has a written & signed contract with that clause, they're out of luck.

Of course he could return the money, but I don't see why he should. By the couple's own admission, it's permissible to deny payment if you disagree with the other party's politics.


Florida law allows a company to accept payment and sign a contract and then don't offer the service nor the refund? Thanks, I know one state I don't want to visit.
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Posted 6/29/15 , edited 6/29/15

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Idiot Anti-Gay Client Gets Fking Owned


Wow man, you have a way with words. Ever thought about getting into professional writing? /s.
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Posted 6/29/15 , edited 6/29/15

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Idiot Anti-Gay Client Gets Fking Owned


Wow man, you have a way with words. Ever thought about getting into professional writing? /s.


Dude, heads up... you don't want to get into an argument with Anzn. He holds onto borderline extremist views, no matter how much reason and logic you present.

You'll end up bashing your head against a wall and getting nowhere. Just can't reason with some people.

So, if/when he replies... my advice is to just ignore it. Of course, feel free to make your own choice, this is just what I would do.
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