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Maybe he wanted to die.
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A lot of cops have to make split second decisions when they have reason to believe their lives or other people's lives are in danger. It's normal for that line of work.

However, that doesn't excuse the ones who overreact and think an unarmed black guy is as dangerous as a nuclear bomb and must be executed immediately. What's even worse is that a lot of the cops that fall into this category lie about what happened to cover for themselves and their buddies help them. The only time they get in trouble is when a video of them murdering someone in cold blood goes viral. Sometimes videos aren't even enough. Just imagine how many of these cases went unnoticed before social media existed.
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MysticGon wrote:

Maybe he wanted to die.


Oh yeah, it was suicide by cop no doubt.
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Just a note for people talking about tasers and batons being nonlethal, they are not. I was military law enforcement and tasers, batons, etc. are classified as less-lethal since there is still a chance someone could be killed by them due to factors such as health problems, disability, proximity, sensitivity and many others.

Also, most tasers are made by the company called Taser, and you can only be certified to use their product by receiving their training, which is too expensive for many small police departments. So absent that, they have to use batons, which also require costly training but not as bad as taser training, and the batons bring the officers into close proximity, removing the 20 foot reaction gap that ensures officer safety.

Tasers cause terrible burn marks and require a one hour observation of the suspect to ensure they haven't suffered temporary paralysis, loss of eyesight, nerve damage, damage to heart functions, or other muscle and nerve related damage. With batons you're trained to strike at the thighs, calves, forearms and biceps to ensure the area you're striking has enough muscle mass to allow pain and reduce the chance of permanent injury. However, in the heat of the moment when the suspect is struggling you can unintentionally strike the wrong area. There have been reports of broken fingers, ribs, skulls, jaws, as well as blown out kneecaps and at least one report I heard of where a suspect tried to duck as the officer was mid strike, which caused the blow to land on the temple and ended up killing the suspect.

My point is that while less-lethal devices can aid in making a suspect discontinue violent acts, they still have the potential to kill, sometimes in a more prolonged and painful manner. As for the use of firearms, the general rule we had was to match lethal force with lethal force. If the suspect is using a lethal weapon, it is hoped that the presence of cops with lethal weapons will deter the suspect from continuing their actions. If not, then the officers have a means to stop the suspect if they wish to continue killing/harming others. It's not as easy to disarm someone as the movies make it look.
Posted 7/2/15
Nah cops just doing their jobs, and I rarely say that.
He reached for his gun first, that pretty much means that his intent was to either shoot at the cops or to threaten them. Also when the cops push him away you can see that he tries to raise his gun at them.
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Posted 7/3/15

coopsta05 wrote: Just a note for people talking about tasers and batons being nonlethal, they are not. I was military law enforcement and tasers, batons, etc. are classified as less-lethal since there is still a chance someone could be killed by them due to factors such as health problems, disability, proximity, sensitivity and many others.

Yup, maybe doe to some death cases with tasers before.
Like there was one about a guy who was tagging on a wall, tryied to run (known to have a bad heart) got tazed and died by just tagging.
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I believe cops have the power and training to be the best suited to deal with these situations. They are more prepared than the average civilian and should still be held to a certain standard. Although it is true that they deal with dangerous situations, this is entirely voluntary. Cops choose to become cops. They have chosen their careers and should be expected to do a decent job. They are in no position to complain about it, since they knew exactly what the job requires them to do before they took up the badge and baton. That's why they are being paid.

That being said, people need to be aware that a cop who is in a high-pressure situation will be ready to shoot first at a sign of danger. Shoving an arm into your coat or reaching into your glove compartment suddenly is a bad idea. When there's a police officer who has never met you before, you can expect him/her to be on high alert. Always make sure you clearly state your intent verbally, try to appear as harmless as possible, and don't act hostile.
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Dumb hillbilly. "Let me pull my gun out".

I cheered when they lit him up. Should have emptied their clip into him.


I don't know, I feel awful for the officers. Being forced to kill someone just because they decided to be selfish and use you to commit suicide....it can't be easy.
Posted 7/3/15

jordancharacter wrote:

I don't know, I feel awful for the officers. Being forced to kill someone just because they decided to be selfish and use you to commit suicide....it can't be easy.


It's their job. Everyone has the ability to kill, believe me.
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Police should have Handcuffed him when taking him in. Like cops are supposed to do.

I dont exactly know how the police work in Palenstine for the record.
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HolyDrumstick, you're probably one of the most reasonable people I've ever encountered on the internet. lol
Completely agree with you on this. Police are held to unreasonable standards and get a lot of hate for not living up to them.

I looked up this story to see what happened before the shooting and why the police were there in the first place, he had apparently stolen a case of beer from a nearby Walmart and ran into the restaurant bathrooms to hide. The police were called and they escorted him out, which is when he pulled (for whatever reason) his gun. Not a very smart man, but he didn't deserve death. At the same time, the police had to ensure their own safety as well as the safety of others.
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MysticGon wrote:

Maybe he wanted to die.


A reasonable assumption. Apparently he had just gotten a divorce. His name was James Bushey if you want to look it up.
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fladdermus wrote:
HolyDrumstick, you're probably one of the most reasonable people I've ever encountered on the internet. lol


While I am very touched by such kind words, it is also somewhat sad that so many others are not so reasonable. hehe
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Folks, if you have a weapon, or anything that could be mistaken for a weapon, the first thing you need to do when dealing with police is to verbally disclose that information
Officer, Imma lift up my shirt and show you the gun that's in my-- /bang /dies
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HolyDrumstick wrote:

Folks, if you have a weapon, or anything that could be mistaken for a weapon, the first thing you need to do when dealing with police is to verbally disclose that information
Officer, Imma lift up my shirt and show you the gun that's in my-- /bang /dies


Kinda funny, I guess. Just not that realistic.
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