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Happy Independence Day. Today we celebrate the day America told Great Britain to shove it up their ass. Americans honor this day by shoving food down their gullet.

So here is an interesting thought. What would the world be like if the colonies never rebelled?
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Placing the what and why aside, it's well and good to celebrate the nation just one day per year , I suppose!
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Wait Britain?

I thought it was the day we celebrate that time when Will Smith, Jeff Goldblum, and some hill billy fought off an alien invasion.

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MysticGon wrote:

So here is an interesting thought. What would the world be like if the colonies never rebelled?


It'd probably suck or, at the very least, be mildly more shitty. The American Revolution is a lot more morally grey then people make it out to be but at the same time it was a very significant event. The United States was the first country to have a government where ALL government officials were elected by the citizens of the nation. Unlike parliament, where it was allowed for the colonies to have no representation whatsoever, representatives were elected by people from all areas of the country and no official was ever given power by birth and/or belief in a holy mandate.

The Magna Carta may have limited the crown's power but it didn't remove it entirely. Regardless of where the real power in the government was present, there were no political documents clearly prohibiting the king from having any real political power beyond influence. While it was no longer an absolute monarchy it still wasn't the same as the constitutional monarchy that we see in the modern-day United Kingdom.

Basically, the emergence of the colonies as an independent power had a powerful effect on the world. People saw a democratic and secular nation prosper -- which led to the normalization of that way of governing.
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MysticGon wrote:

So here is an interesting thought. What would the world be like if the colonies never rebelled?


There would be giant robots, people with special eye powers, immortals, and spinning jump kicks.
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Happy forth of July ^_^ have fun ppl and try to blow your hands off with fireworks while you're at it!
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GrandmasterCoolio wrote:

Basically, the emergence of the colonies as an independent power had a powerful effect on the world. People saw a democratic and secular nation prosper -- which led to the normalization of that way of governing.


Monarchy and dictatorships were the normalized form of governance for a while. The ripple effect of the US rebellion against the British empire though is where we saw a change. The French revolution likely would not have occurred if it was not for the American Revolutionary War, due to key Americans such as Thomas Franklin and Thomas Paine who became celebrities during their time in France. Both promoted the ideas of revolution and fair recognition for one's deeds, which combined in many arenas. The British empire probably would have lasted longer than it did, communism would probably have a larger sphere of influence than democracy, the war between North and South Korea may have been resolved with the North winning, or it may be the same situation we have today.

The flip side though, is that the British empire was already starting to fall apart. There probably would have been a second or even a third revolution with a delay in the development of the USA. As such, international politics could be the same as they are today. The policies and laws the US follows were all enacted after the American Revolution and even our current form of government is not the first that was attempted. There could be different icons of freedom, the bald eagle may not be the national bird, and our money would likely appear differently on some bills, but who is to say any of this might be true. The war could have lasted so long that although the British won, the Americans may have been given their independence due to attrition of the empire. If, if, if, if...
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MysticGon wrote:

Happy Independence Day. Today we celebrate the day America told Great Britain to shove it up their ass. Americans honor this day by shoving food down their gullet.


We didn't tell them to "shove it up their ass"--We wanted independence, like Mexico later wanted independence from Spain.
Specifically, we claimed "No taxation without representation", although realistically, if we got one little overlooked guy at the back benches of Parliament to represent us, it probably wouldn't have made the problem any better either. They claimed we already had representation, from the one overlooked guy at the back benches who represented the overseas territories--We're accustomed to thinking of "Colonies" as groups of people trying to get a state together, but in 18th.-cty. Britain, "Colony" meant a mining colony or oil rig or a sugar plantation in Jamaica, ie. where people live full-time while they strip-mine the resources. To them, we were just one big pine, rope and tobacco factory, and if we weren't going to be taken seriously, we were better off on our own.

And no, people save Memorial Day for shoving, July 4 is for big crowded fireworks at the state park, but since it looks like rain, I may just stay in with my annual viewing of 1776. (Now on Blu-ray.) :)
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I see everybody is celebrating. Including the non-americans, huh.
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Would the united sates big as big as it is. Well would have been in WW1 an 2 much earlier. Could have been a bloody mess.., tea and very bland food. Then again would the french had their revolutionary war? I figure the all colonies would be in tack.
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“Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, Give me Liberty, or give me Death!” - Patrick Henry





"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams





"As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality." - George Washington


Happy 4th, My fellow American Citizens...For better or worse.
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