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Is anime really that sexist?
Posted 7/4/15 , edited 7/7/15
Not to mention female characters are always brought down to some sorta support for the protagonist. Healer, Nurse, the girl who's waiting for him to come home, or advice to give to the girl he said he likes (and most likely likes him too).
And these girls feel like they can't do anything or live without this guy too.
I'm so tired of seeing that.

A guy can't be that special smh
Posted 7/4/15 , edited 7/6/15
Anime has been pretty sexist to women, mostly because most of the stuff was aimed at men. Things are changing now, but that doesn't change that quite a bit of the medium is sexist to its characters.

Anime does have a common problem of treating its female characters horribly. There are plenty of anime that treat their female characters like actual characters and not wank bait, but there is a fair share of anime that just shows a female character for her tits and ass and nothing else. The main issue is that many characters have their agency taken away and the scenes they're in come off incredibly creepy and just disturbing.

Of course, it's not like male characters are always treated nicely, but the thing is, I don't know many series aimed at women that show men being completely stripped of their agency and being treated as just objects. (Unless it's yaoi, but unlike fanservice aimed at men it's rarely in anything.) The male characters in shoujo and so on are just glorified, carbon copies of one another. They're just pretty faces, but I don't know many anime, if any, that include the guys getting molested by a tentacle monster which I have seen quite a few times.

Also, just because a character is sexualized doesn't mean they aren't a full fleshed out character, nor does it mean they have to be stripped of their agency and treated as an object. Monogatari does it with quite a few of it's fanservice scenes and Free! does it as well. The characters within those shows are all fleshed out and developing characters who don't have their agency ripped from them. Monogatari has a few issues, but outside of those, it does a decent job at balancing the sexualization and the character's development.

Yeah, yeah, I get it, it's fantasy, but that doesn't mean it can't be criticized for the crap it pulls and honestly, people who get mad defensive about their stuff need to just sit back and actually look at what is being criticized. It's not like people are telling you to stop, they're telling you to think about what you're taking in and putting into your head because if you're not careful what you watch could possibly affect your mindset and actions later on.
Posted 7/4/15 , edited 7/4/15
Is it just me that finds that male characters are usually a lot more boring And have a lot less depth than girls in anime that are actually good.
You can't expect character development or interesting deep personalities from what is effectively soft core porn.
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Posted 7/4/15 , edited 7/6/15
The topic is a lot more complex than just judging if it's "sexist or not", but a lot of you don't seem to have any industry knowledge on media creation.

However, if you can't see the blatantly obvious pandering to male fantasies in most anime, then there's no point in this discussion.

Food for Thought:
Look at the thumbnail on every anime on crunchyroll and tell me who are these pictures most typically designed for:
Males

Look at all the content available in Anime Expo and tell me who are these products most typically catering to:
Males


Oh, and the dudes calling "Meminist" when men are portrayed as muscular shounen protagonists, who do these characters cater to?
You said it yourself: Shounen characters cater to males, not females.
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Posted 7/4/15 , edited 7/4/15
Talking about anime in general ruins every chance for this conversation to actually go anywhere. My response to most people in this thread is "what anime have you been watching?". I can't argue with you because that may have been the case in the shows that you have seen, but in the shows I have seen (which is a pretty healthy amount), I rarely find anything that I would consider sexist.

PS: Having a target audience =/= Sexism
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Posted 7/4/15

harukohaha wrote:

The topic is a lot more complex than just judging if it's "sexist or not", but a lot of you don't seem to have any industry knowledge on media creation.

However, if you can't see the blatantly obvious pandering to male fantasies in most anime, then there's no point in this discussion.

Food for Thought:
Look at the thumbnail on every anime on crunchyroll and tell me who are these pictures most typically designed for:
Males

Look at all the content available in Anime Expo and tell me who are these products most typically catering to:
Males


Oh, and the dudes calling "Meminist" when men are portrayed as muscular shounen protagonists, who do these characters cater to?
You said it yourself: Shounen characters cater to males, not females.


Sex sells in many cases females in the media are portrayed as hyper intelligent goddesses and males bumbling buffoons. I think there should be content that caters to males and females instead of trying to just cater to females.
Posted 7/4/15 , edited 7/6/15

AzazelOfNexium wrote:

No its not, and if it was, its sexist to both genders since both are portrayed as idealistic.

That's not sexism.

AzazelOfNexium wrote:

People need to pull this "sexism" stick out of their ass. Anime shows guys with ridiculously sexy bodies, and it shows women with ridiculously sexy bodies. Its there to be attractive.


No they don't. Rather people need to get the fuck over that their precious soft core porn is getting criticized for something. It's not like they're taking it away from you, they're just pointing out an issue. Also that's not the issue people have. It's not about them being attractive and if you think that's honestly what people are complaining about then you do not pay attention.


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If your going into a fucking harem series expecting competent women who are there with deep backstories your barking up the wrong goddamn tree, its made for men and women who want to see tits and fanservice.


Doesn't mean you can't give a character personality and it also doesn't mean you can't allow a character to have agency. A large complaint with series like those is that the female character is forced into situations where she is forced to show her body to people. Usually it plays into being humiliated among other things. THAT is what a lot of people complain about and obviously, that isn't every series, but it is plenty. If you don't think that should be criticized, great, you're not female, so it's nothing something that really affects you.



AzazelOfNexium wrote:
The largest consumer of anime is men (by that i mean people who ACTUALLY buy merchandise and the blu rays), so therefor most stuff on the market is aimed towards men.


Yeah, no. The market is pretty split even, women are just an under served market when it comes to anime. If you go to Comiket there are actually more women there attending than men on average.
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Posted 7/4/15 , edited 7/4/15
Honestly anime isn't actually sexist in my opinion. Is it sexual? Yes, it is to an almost ludicrous extent in some series. But is that necessarily a bad thing? Not really. Is it sexist? No.

The problem is that radical feminists in the United States tend to consider anything remotely sexual to be sexist. I could go into it more, but to keep this concise I'll just say there are a lot of things wrong with that point of view in my opinion.

I suppose the main argument to make is whether or not anime objectify women/men or not. In other words, are the "fanservice" scenes, as we like to call them, something that is meant to tantalize the viewer making the character an object? In my opinion, no it does not objectify the character, and to think it does is very demeaning, not just to the character, but us as viewers. Just because it is done in a sexual manner does not mean that we automatically ignore every other human part of that character, one fanservice scene does not throw away all the other aspects of that character in favor of them being a sex object to us.


harukohaha wrote:

The topic is a lot more complex than just judging if it's "sexist or not", but a lot of you don't seem to have any industry knowledge on media creation.

However, if you can't see the blatantly obvious pandering to male fantasies in most anime, then there's no point in this discussion.

Food for Thought:
Look at the thumbnail on every anime on crunchyroll and tell me who are these pictures most typically designed for:
Males

Look at all the content available in Anime Expo and tell me who are these products most typically catering to:
Males


Oh, and the dudes calling "Meminist" when men are portrayed as muscular shounen protagonists, who do these characters cater to?
You said it yourself: Shounen characters cater to males, not females.


What you're talking about is demographics and marketing which is an entirely different discussion entirely. And even then your knowledge of it that you're saying everyone is ignorant of is pretty obvious and an extremely shallow view on the subject. Suffice to say it is much, much more complicated of a beast then you're making it out to be. I would go into more detail, but once again that discussion in regards to sexism is a completely different matter entirely, what we're talking about isn't whether or not the marketing is sexist, but the actual work itself is inherently sexist or not.

(Source: Myself since I happen to be a marketing major)
Posted 7/4/15
I think a better question is why does it even matter.
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Posted 7/4/15
I think you're talking fan service.

But it can seem sexist I guess.
Posted 7/4/15 , edited 7/7/15

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Honestly anime isn't actually sexist in my opinion. Is it sexual? Yes, it is to an almost ludicrous extent in some series. But is that necessarily a bad thing? Not really. Is it sexist? No.

The problem is that radical feminists in the United States tend to consider anything remotely sexual to be sexist. I could go into it more, but to keep this concise I'll just say there are a lot of things wrong with that point of view in my opinion.

I suppose the main argument to make is whether or not anime objectify women/men or not. In other words, are the "fanservice" scenes, as we like to call them, something that is meant to tantalize the viewer making the character an object? In my opinion, no it does not objectify the character, and to think it does is very demeaning, not just to the character, but us as viewers. Just because it is done in a sexual manner does not mean that we automatically ignore every other human part of that character, one fanservice scene does not throw away all the other aspects of that character in favor of them being a sex object to us.

Its more than that. Sexism is more than just seeing women as nothing more than a sexual object. Which guys like you don't seem to get.
Sexism is telling us men will always be more stronger than women, that women can't do anything without men, that a mans opinion on a women defines her worth, that women couldnt have possibly do/be like how they are without the help of a man, that women are powerless, that women always need to be saved (by a man), that women can't fight, etc etc.
Anything that indicates we are inferior to men in almost every way is sexist.

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I think a better question is why does it even matter.

Because it only encourages gender stereotypes & it has an actual affect on people.
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Posted 7/4/15 , edited 7/7/15
no theres countless female main roles and male as well. sure you have your fan service but theres also male charecters that have fan service as well. balances out. although japan is sexiest in reality towards woman as well as the united states. IE woman getting paid less for the same job etc
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Posted 7/4/15
A lot of anime is viewed from the eye of a Japanese male point of view and idealism of the opposite sex. Thus sexism is a short answer you could elaborate more and say only a handful of women even write manga and anime. The target audience for anime and manga is probably 16-21 year old males. Japanese men have always dominated the household women are slowly being excepted but a lot more things need to happen
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Posted 7/4/15 , edited 7/4/15

AiYumega wrote:

...I really honestly do not feel it is, at all honestly(*in all honesty*(correct way). Anime isn't demoralizing any race or gender in my opinion



Saying that you don't feel it and seeing your a man... sure I'll give you that you don't feel it...
Same way white people say they don't feel racism either... sure I'll give them that they don't feel it...
Doesn't mean that everyone else feels the same way though. Same for your poll who are the majority
of users here on this site? Yeah... sure I'll give them the same "they don't feel it"...
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Posted 7/4/15
That new series with all the girls running around in bikini's begs me to think it is.........
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