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Posted 7/5/15 , edited 9/5/15

FlyinDumpling wrote:


Mitt Romney would have solved all of our problems

Will the real Mitt Romney please stand up
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Posted 7/5/15 , edited 7/5/15

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This thread in a nutshell.






It's almost like looking into a mirror.


But anyway, I think Obama is a nice guy and wants to do good for the country.
And he has.


The problem is, is that he wasn't the truly progressive president democrats wanted.
He said he promised "CHANGE" but he didn't actually bring enough change. Even the guy who made the change poster said he was disappointed with him.
I don't truly blame him though, given our rather oligarchic system of government we have, can you really blame him?


I think Bernie Sanders will do what Obama failed to do(again I don't really fault him since he did some good things) and become the truly progressive president, people want.
My personal issue with Obama was his immigration policy.
He deported more immigrants than Bush did.
To me, I felt...betrayed.
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Thanks to Obama's wholly political decision to pull out of Iraq in a hurry, a vacuum was created in the region where ISIS readily swept right in.

Members of US military who made so much sacrifices to secure those Iraqi towns only to see them fall again because of that misguided decision were put in dismay. (and still are)
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Posted 7/5/15
Idk...maybe there was a change of policy, but either way he's is a controversial president
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Obama's presidency was a disappointment, but it wasn't entirely his fault. I am still a bit salty about him picking Biden as his VP. The man couldn't tie his own shoe laces. Other than that though, his failure was not being able to wrangle a broken congress--which is a pretty tall order. The party lines are so monkey fucked right now I'm not sure anything short of a war or cataclysmic market crash could unite us at this point.

Also, I may have to vote in the next election out of spite. I hate Hilary, but her competition is shaping up to be a real shitshow. Would be nice for the Dems to find a better alternative. I'm sure there's another strong woman in their ranks that isn't as transparently wishywashy as a Clinton. They're like the archetypes for the modern politician and everything wrong with the system :(

Still better than the nutjobs running for the Republicans so far though
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nanikore2 wrote:

Thanks to Obama's wholly political decision to pull out of Iraq in a hurry, a vacuum was created in the region where ISIS readily swept right in.

Members of US military who made so much sacrifices to secure those Iraqi towns only to see them fall again because of that misguided decision were put in dismay. (and still are)


Were you surprised? Obama's entire foreign policy in the Middle East is all about destabilizing countries and creating new threats to civilians, both American and foreign. He takes great pride in calling these operations a success.
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yea i'd say he failed pretty hard, to much hope but not enough change.
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Posted 7/5/15 , edited 7/6/15

nanikore2 wrote:

Thanks to Obama's wholly political decision to pull out of Iraq in a hurry, a vacuum was created in the region where ISIS readily swept right in.

Members of US military who made so much sacrifices to secure those Iraqi towns only to see them fall again because of that misguided decision were put in dismay. (and still are)


Pulled out of Iraq in a hurry? Our troops were there for EIGHT years, and we wasted trillions of dollars on that disaster. Pulling out wasn't misguided. We never should have invaded in the first place.
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Posted 7/5/15
A failure as a president. No. I imagine history will look back and find him adequate.
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Posted 7/5/15 , edited 7/5/15
Medicore, he was a medicore president, better than Bush but my left butt check is better than Bush
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megahobbit wrote:
Whats so funny?


It's the same person. What he/she truly believes isn't going to change just because he'/she's a different party. Politics isn't about idealism. All politicians use the same skills. It's about making people happy, smoke and mirrors, and working behind the scenes. What you see is all publicity, if it weren't they'd have made all the "moral" changes already. Any person might be able to effect a change, if they can get other people to agree to it. But try getting the democrats in the 1850s to free the slaves, see how in favor of the idea they'd be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_switching_in_the_United_States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourbon_Democrat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire-Eaters
They're both from the Democrat party, from way far back. Or well, not that far back, only about 100 years. Still within human memory certainly.
It's still the same party. And before you say "it's a hundred years ago and not representative."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixiecrat
How about these guys? 1948 was 60 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_and_conservative_support_for_Barack_Obama_in_2008
There are even republicans who voted for Obama. And Democrats who vote for the Republican candidate.

The point being that people are people. Giving them a label of "democrat" or "republican" means very little to who they are and what they vote for.


Exactly what I mean with the gotcha

Nah I really dont believe politicians base there shit off what they actually believe. They do it to get elected and will say and do what the people want to get elected.
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Posted 7/5/15

geauxtigers1989 wrote:


nanikore2 wrote:

Thanks to Obama's wholly political decision to pull out of Iraq in a hurry, a vacuum was created in the region where ISIS readily swept right in.

Members of US military who made so much sacrifices to secure those Iraqi towns only to see them fall again because of that misguided decision were put in dismay. (and still are)


Pulled out of Iraq in a hurry? Our troops were there for EIGHT years, and we wasted trillions of dollars on that disaster. Pulling out wasn't misguided. We never should have invaded in the first place.


You ignored numbers.

Now there has to be a buildup again of "advisers", and remember sending "advisers" was how Vietnam War started and likely how this new one is going to start (see tail of the graph).

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/11/world/middleeast/us-embracing-a-new-approach-on-battling-isis-in-iraq.html

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Posted 7/5/15 , edited 7/5/15
In the end the whole problem with this country can be summed up in two points (well not the WHOLE problem but it's at least two fairly big points)

1. We all know a shit load of politicians are in the pockets of corporations and thus are more interested in fatten up wallets than fixing actual issues.

2. Both Republicans and Democrats at some point devolved into what can only be described as a pre school fight. Both are just immature idiots who are more interested in screwing with each other than getting shit done.

Whether or not Obama is that great of a president hardly matters because thanks to the checks and balances system he can't do everything himself and everyone else is so busy screwing around that it's a miracle anything ever gets done. If Republicans aren't threatening government shut downs every time Obama tries to really do anything democrats aren't doing much better.


So yeah what we need to do is stop blaming the president for everything and point the fingers where they belong. The incompetent idiots meant to keep everything running smoothly. Not that pointing fingers will change anything but if you're going to waste the energy at least do it right.
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bobsagget wrote:

Obama is a puppet, nothing more nothing less.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros


Beautiful... That made my day... Someone who knows the truth!
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