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Your criteria is absurd.Sexism is sexism.
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seekerperson7 wrote:

This is an extremely interesting concept.

First, let me say that, while I do like it and find it interesting, I also acknowledge that it's not necessarily the best way to gauge sexism. Sometimes the complete exclusion of women can be sexist, or it can be fine. Most of the time, a show with a male protagonist isn't indicative of sexism, however the overwhelming majority of shows with male protagonists can be a symptom. Essentially - I tend to think of sexism as a more systematic issue that's hard to strictly categorize with a set of criteria like this. However, as I said, this still seems like an interesting exercise.

Second, how do we classify shows with one gender cast? Shows that are all-girls or all-guys? I suppose you could look at them as sexist if you think of it as segregation - however, I never tend to look at it like that.And there are wildly different examples - from Battle Girls Time Paradox and Koihime Musou, to Free! and Madoka Magica


Thank you very much

I get your concerns, that's why I tried with simple conditions to make a basic grid : "male are important, female depend on male, men aren't sexually harassed" Versus "female are important, male depend on female, female aren't sexually harassed".

I found that both conditions 2 and 3 are difficult to get together when the protagonist is female...


My advice on your helpful contribution :

Group A

Maoyuu : for me, considering the exposure difference, the protagonist of the show is more Maou than Yuusha, so I didn't count it.


Group B

Regarding what I mean "being depended on" : the dependent character needs to turn to the protagonist in some way because they can't solve their problems by themselves / do alone what the protagonist is doing. So I wouldn't count Soranowoto.

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CKD-Anime wrote:

It's weird that this anime fits.

Category A : School Days
- The protagonist of the show is a male
- The male protagonist is helping female characters who depend on him (Granted he wasn't the best at it)
- The male protagonist is never sexually harassed (Had sex with them, but he was never sexually harassed)


Thank you for your ongoing contributions
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pirththee wrote:

Your criteria is absurd.Sexism is sexism.


I don't try to demonstrate that anime is sexist. I love anime, I dislike sexism, and you can nearly always find some anime to your liking.

I would want to quantify availability of anime with leading, dependable, not harassed male and female characters. I don't think all these shows will be sexist (I don't think Mushi-shi or Usagi Drop are sexist but they are in category A, and I don't think the shows in category B are feminist pamphlets advocating women supriority either).

After just a couple hours, it seems to me that there is shows in both categories, with a 2/3 Vs 1/3 ratio. That isn't as bad as you'd expect.
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Category A:
Kanon
Clannad
Guilty Crown

Category B:
Yumeiro Pâtissière
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Shakugan no Shana
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pirththee wrote:

Your criteria is absurd.Sexism is sexism.


I believe it's what would constitute as sexism that is unclear. That's why people have used it to describe games and now anime. Perhaps the next thing in line would be sexist laundry detergent or sexist bottled water.
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ayesharocks wrote:

Category A:
Kanon
Clannad
Guilty Crown

Category B:
Yumeiro Pâtissière
Skip Beat!
Shakugan no Shana


Thank you

But Yuji is registered as the protagonist of Shakugan no Shana, instead of Shana (and it seems ridiculous to me...)
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Broad studies like this are helpful but you cant quantifilibly say something is sexist or something is not sexist.
This is a good thing on the Bechdal test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mio9fVRGKr4
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Shadmad wrote:


ayesharocks wrote:

Category A:
Kanon
Clannad
Guilty Crown

Category B:
Yumeiro Pâtissière
Skip Beat!
Shakugan no Shana


Thank you

But Yuji is registered as the protagonist of Shakugan no Shana, instead of Shana (and it seems ridiculous to me...)


Damn, you're right. It makes sense sorta, since Shana was already part of the game by the time Yuji and her met.
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pirththee wrote:

Your criteria is absurd.Sexism is sexism.


I believe it's what would constitute as sexism that is unclear. That's why people have used it to describe games and now anime. Perhaps the next thing in line would be sexist laundry detergent or sexist bottled water.


So Sexist laundry detergent good on stains?
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megahobbit wrote:

Broad studies like this are helpful but you cant quantifilibly say something is sexist or something is not sexist.
This is a good thing on the Bechdal test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mio9fVRGKr4


Which is why applying the test to a sampling of the entire industry would be interesting.

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So Sexist laundry detergent good on stains?


Apparently only on male clothes.
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:


megahobbit wrote:

Broad studies like this are helpful but you cant quantifilibly say something is sexist or something is not sexist.
This is a good thing on the Bechdal test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mio9fVRGKr4


Which is why applying the test to a sampling of the entire industry would be interesting.



Who can give you grant funding for your study then your in business
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:


megahobbit wrote:

Broad studies like this are helpful but you cant quantifilibly say something is sexist or something is not sexist.
This is a good thing on the Bechdal test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mio9fVRGKr4


Which is why applying the test to a sampling of the entire industry would be interesting.



Interesting yes but not a good measurement of whether the work or industry is sexist(for the record I do thing most animes are sexist look at the other thread).

We need deeper analysis of works themes and messages.
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