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Posted 7/7/15 , edited 7/7/15
So, being a bit of a college football sports guy, I came across this little gem in an article.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=61&v=hGGdlL5U61U

Now, before you go off spouting assumptious nonsense, watch the video please. It's easy to see what goes down in the video to anyone paying attention to detail. So then, after watching the video, what do you think?

The kid was charged and dismissed from his team because of this. Do you think he was in the wrong for what he did? And what about the girl getting off scott free after being the initial instigator/agressor?

I don't have an issue with someone punching anyone, regardless of gender. (if you assault me, it won't mean anything to me) What I do have an issue with is lack of common sense. Who the hell immediately acts like that when someone is just trying to get to the bar? Also, why didn't the guy simply restrain her and have her thrown out of the bar? He was clearly stronger and this would have been a non issue had he used some common sense.

Both are to blame in my opinion.


Edit: So apparently she was throwing racial slurs his way as well when she turned around.
Posted 7/7/15 , edited 7/7/15
Yes he was wrong. Plain and simple. I'm liberal about a lot but putting hands on a woman is not one of them.

Men don't hit women like that ever. Plain and simple. He walloped her in the mouth, that's a crime and yes he should have been dismissed too.
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AiYumega wrote:

Yes he was wrong. Plain and simple. I'm liberal about a lot but putting hands on a woman is not one of them.

Before the /b/tards tell me "OH pleasssse if a girl touches me I'm gonna whip her ass lol0lo"

No.

Men don't hit women like that ever. Plain and simple. He walloped her in the mouth, that's a crime and yes he should have been dismissed too.


And what about the girl getting off free? While she clearly didn't do any real damage to the guy, she still assaulted him and started it. The guy is stupid for his reaction seeing as better ways to resolve it were there. His punishment is a no brainer really, but her getting off with nothing? You don't start shit then act like a victim. That's not right. That's what I mean by the thread title.
Posted 7/7/15 , edited 7/7/15

dotsforlife wrote:

And what about the girl getting off free? While she clearly didn't do any real damage to the guy, she still assaulted him and started it. The guy is stupid for his reaction seeing as better ways to resolve it were there. His punishment is a no brainer really, but her getting off with nothing? That's not right. That's what I mean by the thread title.


You're right, she wasn't innocent either. Whatever punishment he receives, she should receive too.

And alcohol....the real culprit here.
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Another entitled female thinking she can do what she wants, it's only over here in the west some women are like that, just so unfeminine. You can say that guy was stronger or whatever, well she shouldn't of been so pushy, you can almost hear her screaming to, and she hit him. I have no sympathy for trash.
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Posted 7/7/15 , edited 7/7/15
Was she wrong? Hell yes.

What he wronger-er? Hell yes.

There are much better ways to handle this. Like simply walking away and being a bigger person. Or letting security do their jobs, etc.
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She was crying after she got punched, shit if you gonna dish it you better be able to take it.
Posted 7/7/15 , edited 7/7/15

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While you have some points, you're coming off as angry at women in general and that's silly.


Another entitled female thinking she can do what she wants, it's only over here in the west some women are like that, just so unfeminine


What does even mean? Only here in the West? Ohhh you mean submissive Asian and Middle Eastern women? Yes, let's tie them in a kitchen and tell them to shut it. Please...
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There were better ways to handle the situation, but he chose the hot-headed way.
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'Shrugs'

I'm probably not the best person to ask about this kind of thing, but an opinion is an opinion lol

First of all, you can see the woman kind of putting her arm across his chest as though she's trying to keep him at a distance. The man responds by grabbing her. This, I think, was not an appropriate response at all. The woman then responds by hitting him, and the man responds in kind.

Honestly, to me personally, it feels like the man started it by grabbing her. I'm not sure in what circumstance you would actually want to grab a woman unless she was attacking you. She did touch him, but to me it seemed more like she was trying to keep him at bay.

To that end, it looked to me more like the woman was attempting to defend herself - unaware that the man meant no harm. The man responded in kind.

If a man is attacked, I have no problem with him defending himself. However, I think this situation is more nuanced. Though, bear in mind, I've never visited a bar in my life, so perhaps i'm unfamiliar with the etiquette at these sorts of places, so what do I know? Just telling it like I see it lol
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To be fair, if she can punch someone much stronger than her, then - given the right situation - she would have punched someone weaker than her (i.e. a female, or another guy that's just lanky or not protecting certain "areas"). It's not just about the damage done, but looking at intent and potential patterns of behavior; additionally, penalties for such behavior are meant to be a deterrent, and these ought to be applied equally based on clear expression of intent and potential patterns of behavior - regardless if the intent or behavior succeeded or had an effect, because - if it goes unchecked - it *could* have an effect.

So, both punishments ought to be equal, and getting off free does seem to be a double standard (i,e. might the same situation happen if it were a lanky, self-entitled narcissistic male exhibiting something akin to borderline personality?)

Personally, society tends to stick its neck out for women (whether it be divorce, child custody, social support systems, etc) when it can do so, even if male counterparts can have those same issues. It is a mixture of societal conventions mixed with pretty obvious white-knighting genetics all the way down in an evolutionary sense. And this double-standard can exist independent of the actual status of male versus female pros/cons within a society (i.e. non-gender equality). What I mean is that gender inequality and stereotypes can affect both genders, in different manners, and therefore ought to base the standard of equality on differentiating and isolating the issues instead of choosing a side.

An example is race-based scholarships. Why not instead base them upon socioeconomic situations that effect all races, although not equally and the same, that would get to the source of the issue instead of choosing sides. What I mean is, when it comes to servicing humans that are impoverished, serve the impoverished: it doesn't matter gender, hair color, eye color, skin color - or any other phenotypical characteristic. Good that is done is independent of choosing an arbitrary delimiter and saying "OH! Let's serve [x] because more of them are impoverished!". No, serve the impoverished.

I think, in a nutshell, that is the key-point to a double-standard. A bias that doesn't understand the delicacy of equality and justice, and what those would actually entail. I lived in an inner-city neighborhood and was called "gringo" and "white boy" all the time - no uproar. Now, imagine all the things that I could've said that would have started an immediate uproar. Imagine all the BS justifications of the double standard (bringing up history, my race, incorrect assumptions on my financial situation). Yup. Double-Standard in a nutshell: Side-Choosing.
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Posted 7/7/15 , edited 7/7/15
I've seen shit like this go down in person, except in person the guy that got hit had way more patience and he ended up getting hit repeatedly, she didn't leave him alone until he clocked her back.

The guy in this video probably knew something like that would have happened, so he checked her real quick. It's not like he went off on her or anything, she hit him in the face, he hit her in the face. Equivalent exchange
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Posted 7/7/15 , edited 7/7/15
I think in western society women do get a free pass when it comes to violence against men. It's seen as amusing or that the guy is a loser. Any threat to the woman though and all the white knights come out of the woodwork. Some would say it's because females aren't taken seriously others would argue that there is a deference to women.

Either way it seems to be that in public at least, a woman can get away with violence that would have a man in real trouble.
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DanteVSTheWorld wrote:

Another entitled female thinking she can do what she wants, it's only over here in the west some women are like that, just so unfeminine. You can say that guy was stronger or whatever, well she shouldn't of been so pushy, you can almost hear her screaming to, and she hit him. I have no sympathy for trash.


Agreed
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'Shrugs'

I'm probably not the best person to ask about this kind of thing, but an opinion is an opinion lol

First of all, you can see the woman kind of putting her arm across his chest as though she's trying to keep him at a distance. The man responds by grabbing her. This, I think, was not an appropriate response at all. The woman then responds by hitting him, and the man responds in kind.

Honestly, to me personally, it feels like the man started it by grabbing her. I'm not sure in what circumstance you would actually want to grab a woman unless she was attacking you. She did touch him, but to me it seemed more like she was trying to keep him at bay.

To that end, it looked to me more like the woman was attempting to defend herself - unaware that the man meant no harm. The man responded in kind.

If a man is attacked, I have no problem with him defending himself. However, I think this situation is more nuanced. Though, bear in mind, I've never visited a bar in my life, so perhaps i'm unfamiliar with the etiquette at these sorts of places, so what do I know? Just telling it like I see it lol


She instigated it. That is a fact shown here. Who responds to someone trying to get to a bar by raising their fist and acting in a threatening manner? The moment she turned around she started mouthing off and getting agressive. That was what caused all of this in the first place. It all went downhill when she acted that way from the get go. Then nonstop stupidity followed. Poor judgement.
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