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Sexism in Gaming Communities & Industries
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I see it as a problem, but I still wonder why the hell is it a problem. I don't really care if you are a female gamer or not, I just want to play the game. I think what would be a problem in the gaming community is if some short of government was trying to ban video games as a whole or the media's take on violence in video games and how they think it's connected to massive shootings like columbine or virginia tech.

Yet, it has become a problem and I actually would like to combat it. To me, the main problem is feminism. No, it's not what you think. I'm ok with feminism, I actually don't care just as long as you guys are happy that's fine by me. What I'm talking about is the gross reactions to feminism. A major example is Anita Sarkeesian. Sure, I don't agree with her views, but it's her opinion and she is entitled on her opinion. She does not deserve all of the death threats and rape comments just because of her opinion. Heck, I actually feel like giving a hug and maybe bake a cake as an apology to these women who have been going through these threats multiple times (Said maybe because don't know how to bake a cake and cakes can be expensive).

A true man respects everyone as if they were him/her. Doesn't matter about race or gender or homosexuality, you still gotta respect the person and their views (Especially females). Respect a female as if she was your own mother, respect african americans as if they are your brothers (even if you guys aren't blood related) and respect the elderly as if they saved your lives by fighting for their country. If you don't really follow that, your not a real man, your still just a kid. Sure I'm a man and I might not get what most of you female gamers are going through, but at least I care about it (heck I got a girlfriend who's a gamer and I love her so much I actually do hope we can still be together after college, don't worry I am working hard to not mess this up).

So summary... see it as a big issue, but still wondering why the hell are we even seeing it as a major issue (Seriously, it's the year 2015 and the gaming community still hasn't accepted the fact that there are female gamers?!?!?!?!). Don't care about feminism, just as long as everyone's happy, hug Anita and everyone who's been going through these threats just to comfort them, true men respect females and other people.

That's all I have to say, but maybe I might be wrong, I mean who knows. I'm just a 17 year old high school student who's gotten average grades (Mostly B's and some C's and some A's) in my honor's classes who most of the time just goes on his computer all day 24/7... man I need a life...
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Posted 7/7/15 , edited 7/14/15

megahobbit wrote:

Doesnt mean its right. Its still unacceptable they received that much harassment.

And frankly I dont see Sarkeesians arguments as that extreme. I dont agree with alot of them but people seem to think she comes off much harsher than she actually does.


I'm not saying it's acceptable. I agree that her arguments aren't extreme, but they are often stupid. Now that we've pretty much transitioned completely onto Anita though, I would like to point out extra reasons for why she in particular is harassed.

She raised thousands upon thousands of dollars to make a video series. She didn't live up to her promise with the videos. The quality of the videos did not improve from her previous works. She started another series when she hasn't even finished what she promised to do. She's now raising more money because she spent all the money on whatever.

She's lied about being a gamer. There's recorded footage of her where she says, she is not a gamer. On top of that she doesn't even seem to enjoy most games, saying incredibly stupid things like the fallout 4 trailer, an fps rpg game, being too violet.

She uses the harassment she get to further her agenda. Takes trolls seriously, and actis like people with fair criticisms are also harassing her. She also shuts down any potential discussion in her youtube video comments section and refuses to go into a debate, probably because she knows her arguments hold no water.

The way I see it, she decided to go into this thinking she'd find lots of actual issues in games, realized there were very few decent arguments she could make, but was so overwhelmed by the amount of money she got, that it screwed with her head to the point where everything she did was a complete mess. Especially when the harassment is thrown in. I legitimately feel sorry for her and hope she decided to stop so the world can forget about her and she can be free from the shit she keeps attracting.

Sorry if I seem like I'm on a rant. I get heated when writing about this stuff.
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Schmooples wrote:


megahobbit wrote:

If last year hasn't shown that gaming and nerd culture has an undeniable problem in with sexism you must be living under a rock.


Pretty much me. What has happened in the past year?


http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gamergate
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megahobbit wrote:

Doesnt mean its right. Its still unacceptable they received that much harassment.

And frankly I dont see Sarkeesians arguments as that extreme. I dont agree with alot of them but people seem to think she comes off much harsher than she actually does.


I'm not saying it's acceptable. I agree that her arguments aren't extreme, but they are often stupid. Now that we've pretty much transitioned completely onto Anita though, I would like to point out extra reasons for why she in particular is harassed.

She raised thousands upon thousands of dollars to make a video series. She didn't live up to her promise with the videos. The quality of the videos did not improve from her previous works. She started another series when she hasn't even finished what she promised to do. She's now raising more money because she spent all the money on whatever.

She's lied about being a gamer. There's recorded footage of her where she says, she is not a gamer. On top of that she doesn't even seem to enjoy most games, saying incredibly stupid things like the fallout 4 trailer, an fps rpg game, being too violet.

She uses the harassment she get to further her agenda. Takes trolls seriously, and actis like people with fair criticisms are also harassing her. She also shuts down any potential discussion in her youtube video comments section and refuses to go into a debate, probably because she knows her arguments hold no water.

The way I see it, she decided to go into this thinking she'd find lots of actual issues in games, realized there were very few decent arguments she could make, but was so overwhelmed by the amount of money she got, that it screwed with her head to the point where everything she did was a complete mess. Especially when the harassment is thrown in. I legitimately feel sorry for her and hope she decided to stop so the world can forget about her and she can be free from the shit she keeps attracting.

Sorry if I seem like I'm on a rant. I get heated when writing about this stuff.


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Yeah and its stupid af & why is qualifies as sexist harassment.

Sooo you've had gamers tell you to go make them a sandwich? Or call you an attention whore? Go to the kitchen? Maybe even give you death or rape threats for basically no reason?

Attractiveness is never an actual issue especially when most of us play behind an avatar/character.
If guys hear a female playing, they'll make sexist jokes and maybe eventually turn into harassment.
This happens to me sometimes too in mmos, which is why I try to have a group of friends to play with.
And a lot of us end up doing that if we don't drop the game out entirely.


I've never seen anyone make death or rape threats because they're a woman.

The attractiveness thing was more about the games. You know how game designers often make characters with big breasts and guys with six packs?

You make it sound like all men go up to a woman and instantly make a sexist joke in games. From what I've seen, it's uncommon at most. Though there is one game I've never seen it happen before. The Secret World. One of the best gaming communities I've been in.
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Sexism is a problem everywhere, but in gaming women are more likely to be given stuff, while men are more likely to get harassed, I've been a gamer for years, and have never once seen a person be sexist.
Posted 7/7/15 , edited 7/11/15

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anzn wrote:

Yeah and its stupid af & why is qualifies as sexist harassment.

Sooo you've had gamers tell you to go make them a sandwich? Or call you an attention whore? Go to the kitchen? Maybe even give you death or rape threats for basically no reason?

Attractiveness is never an actual issue especially when most of us play behind an avatar/character.
If guys hear a female playing, they'll make sexist jokes and maybe eventually turn into harassment.
This happens to me sometimes too in mmos, which is why I try to have a group of friends to play with.
And a lot of us end up doing that if we don't drop the game out entirely.


I've never seen anyone make death or rape threats because they're a woman.

The attractiveness thing was more about the games. You know how game designers often make characters with big breasts and guys with six packs?

You make it sound like all men go up to a woman and instantly make a sexist joke in games. From what I've seen, it's uncommon at most. Though there is one game I've never seen it happen before. The Secret World. One of the best gaming communities I've been in.

Guess you never heard about Zoe Quinn, Brianna Wu, and Rachel Bryk.

Also so? For women, its most of the time its sexual objectification while male characters are idolized. A lot of us don't wanna look or be like how most female characters are in games.
That's not what I'm saying. Obviously not all of them do that, but a good amount of them do. I've been in several gaming communities for a while & most of them I was in, (specifically competitive online games) you might see it often. And experience it often if you're a female.
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Posted 7/7/15 , edited 7/14/15

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[Citation needed]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW-69xXD734 - Anita claiming to be a gamer and then Anita claiming not to be a fan of games (a gamer essentially means a fan of games unless you want to twist what it means)

I seem to have two tweets confused with the whole E3 violence thing. It was DOOM that was apparently too violent. But there was also a tweet on Fallout 4.

https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/610273457582944256 - Doom tweet
https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/610286429390811136 - Fallout 4 tweet

Comparing the videos she'd said she'd do to what she has actually done clearly shows that she has not lived up to her promise.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/566429325/tropes-vs-women-in-video-games/description

https://www.youtube.com/user/feministfrequency/videos

http://cowkitty.net/post/78808973663/you-stole-my-artwork-an-open-letter-to-anita - Stealing art.


It's quite a lot of effort to find sources on everything so I'll leave it at that for now.
Posted 7/7/15 , edited 7/8/15

pathogen772 wrote:

Sexism is a problem everywhere, but in gaming women are more likely to be given stuff, while men are more likely to get harassed, I've been a gamer for years, and have never once seen a person be sexist.

Well you are 14 so you haven't seen enough or don't notice that easily it.
I've been online gaming for over 6 years now (and been gaming in general for over a decade now) and I've seen (and experience) a good amount of sexism to say it's a legit problem in gaming.
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Posted 7/7/15 , edited 7/14/15

Buckerss wrote:


megahobbit wrote:

[Citation needed]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW-69xXD734 - Anita claiming to be a gamer and then Anita claiming not to be a fan of games (a gamer essentially means a fan of games unless you want to twist what it means)

I seem to have two tweets confused with the whole E3 violence thing. It was DOOM that was apparently too violent. But there was also a tweet on Fallout 4.

https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/610273457582944256 - Doom tweet
https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/610286429390811136 - Fallout 4 tweet

Comparing the videos she'd said she'd do to what she has actually done clearly shows that she has not lived up to her promise.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/566429325/tropes-vs-women-in-video-games/description

https://www.youtube.com/user/feministfrequency/videos

http://cowkitty.net/post/78808973663/you-stole-my-artwork-an-open-letter-to-anita - Stealing art.


It's quite a lot of effort to find sources on everything so I'll leave it at that for now.


>Linking to a Sargon video

Into the trash it goes.

All of this is empirical shit with no basis. Grow the fuck up. You can disagree with a person and not have to stretch shit to try and smear them.
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Posted 7/7/15 , edited 7/14/15

anzn wrote:

Guess you never heard about Zoe Quinn, Brianna Wu, and Rachel Bryk.

Also so? For women, its most of the time its sexual objectification while male characters are idolized. A lot of us don't wanna look or be like how most female characters are in games.
That's not what I'm saying. Obviously not all of them do that, but a good amount of them do. I've been in several gaming communities for a while & most of them I was in, (specifically competitive online games) you might see it often. And experience it often if you're a female.


Zoe Quinn sleeping around to get good reviews. Targeted by gamergate because that should not be ok.
I haven't heard of Brianna Wu
I hadn't heard of Rachel either, but looking her up, it seems she had problems before someone told her to jump off a bridge.

I don't see the difference between sexual objectification and this so called "Idolizing". Care to elaborate?

Mind being specific on what online games? Just so I can understand the type of communities you've been in. Not all game communities are the same after all.
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Zoe Quinn sleeping around to get good reviews.


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>Linking to a Sargon video

Into the trash it goes.

All of this is empirical shit with no basis. Grow the fuck up. You can disagree with a person and not have to stretch shit to try and smear them.


I'll be honest, I dislike Sargon too. His video was just the best one I found during a quick search.

If anyone needs to grow up it's you though. You're the one discrediting an entire post with multiple points simply because you dislike who presented one source. Not only that but you're the first to resort to a personal attack, which is completely childish. I was simply showing you the what Sarkeesian has done. Now I could lose my temper here, but I'd rather not. If I were you, I'd refrain from further personal attacks.

Google the Zoe Quinn thing yourself. I'm not going to fish for sources for you anymore after that.
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Posted 7/8/15 , edited 7/14/15

Buckerss wrote:


megahobbit wrote:

>Linking to a Sargon video

Into the trash it goes.

All of this is empirical shit with no basis. Grow the fuck up. You can disagree with a person and not have to stretch shit to try and smear them.


I'll be honest, I dislike Sargon too. His video was just the best one I found during a quick search.

If anyone needs to grow up it's you though. You're the one discrediting an entire post with multiple points simply because you dislike who presented one source. Not only that but you're the first to resort to a personal attack, which is completely childish. I was simply showing you the what Sarkeesian has done. Now I could lose my temper here, but I'd rather not. If I were you, I'd refrain from further personal attacks.


I didnt just leave it at Sargon I said all your shit was empirical evidence which is it is and you cant prove any of it. And I will say grow up cause its people like you throwing out this BS conspiracy stuff that prevents actual discussion and criticism of Anitas work.
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Posted 7/8/15 , edited 7/14/15

megahobbit wrote:

I didnt just leave it at Sargon I said all your shit was empirical evidence which is it is and you cant prove any of it. And I will say grow up cause its people like you throwing out this BS conspiracy stuff that prevents actual discussion and criticism of Anitas work.


So saying "I'm not a fan of games" is not in any way evidence that someone is not a fan of games. Its just a BS conspiracy. Good to know.
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