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I didnt just leave it at Sargon I said all your shit was empirical evidence which is it is and you cant prove any of it. And I will say grow up cause its people like you throwing out this BS conspiracy stuff that prevents actual discussion and criticism of Anitas work.


You forget that I've just been pointing out the reasons that people have for harassing her (Again I'm not saying that anyone should be harassed).
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megahobbit wrote:

I didnt just leave it at Sargon I said all your shit was empirical evidence which is it is and you cant prove any of it. And I will say grow up cause its people like you throwing out this BS conspiracy stuff that prevents actual discussion and criticism of Anitas work.


So saying "I'm not a fan of games" is not in any way evidence that someone is not a fan of games. Its just a BS conspiracy. Good to know.


Really thats the part everyone cares about. She doesnt enjoy video games. Big fucking woop. I dont enjoy video games anymore. Doesnt mean I cant critique them.

Only thing Sargon proved in that video is that he is way too fucking obsessed with this women.
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megahobbit wrote:

I didnt just leave it at Sargon I said all your shit was empirical evidence which is it is and you cant prove any of it. And I will say grow up cause its people like you throwing out this BS conspiracy stuff that prevents actual discussion and criticism of Anitas work.


You forget that I've just been pointing out the reasons that people have for harassing her (Again I'm not saying that anyone should be harassed).


So you dont believe this shit? Cause I get the opposite impression.
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Love these threads.

There is never "discussion" there is "You don't agree with me I'm gonna keep shouting about stuff until you agree with me or shut up so I can keep spouting my nonsense." The good ol internets gotta love it.
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megahobbit wrote:

Really thats the part everyone cares about. She doesnt enjoy video games. Big fucking woop. I dont enjoy video games anymore. Doesnt mean I cant critique them.

Only thing Sargon proved in that video is that he is way too fucking obsessed with this women.


I don't like football, therefore I'm going to make a video series critiquing football, ask for money to kickstart it, lie about liking it, and expect to be taken seriously about it. Sure, I can do this, but people are going to harass me for it because I don't know much about football. If they did find out that I don't like football, they're going to harass me for that too.

"So you dont believe this shit? Cause I get the opposite impression."

Of course I do. There's evidence to show that the things said about her are true. I just don't believe people should be harassed. Especially not with death threats and the like, even when trolling.
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megahobbit wrote:

Really thats the part everyone cares about. She doesnt enjoy video games. Big fucking woop. I dont enjoy video games anymore. Doesnt mean I cant critique them.

Only thing Sargon proved in that video is that he is way too fucking obsessed with this women.


I don't like football, therefore I'm going to make a video series critiquing football, ask for money to kickstart it, lie about liking it, and expect to be taken seriously about it. Sure, I can do this, but people are going to harass me for it because I don't know much about football. If they did find out that I don't like football, they're going to harass me for that too.


Thats not what happened. Sarkeesian is a cultural critique. Shes not floundering in the dark with cultural criticism she is just applying feminist critique to video games. People have been doing this for years shes just the first to apply it to video games.
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megahobbit wrote:

Really thats the part everyone cares about. She doesnt enjoy video games. Big fucking woop. I dont enjoy video games anymore. Doesnt mean I cant critique them.

Only thing Sargon proved in that video is that he is way too fucking obsessed with this women.


I don't like football, therefore I'm going to make a video series critiquing football, ask for money to kickstart it, lie about liking it, and expect to be taken seriously about it. Sure, I can do this, but people are going to harass me for it because I don't know much about football. If they did find out that I don't like football, they're going to harass me for that too.

"So you dont believe this shit? Cause I get the opposite impression."

Of course I do. There's evidence to show that the things said about her are true. I just don't believe people should be harassed. Especially not with death threats and the like, even when trolling.


Wheres the evidence son.
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megahobbit wrote:

Really thats the part everyone cares about. She doesnt enjoy video games. Big fucking woop. I dont enjoy video games anymore. Doesnt mean I cant critique them.

Only thing Sargon proved in that video is that he is way too fucking obsessed with this women.


You were the one claiming that this was all nothing but conspiratorial BS...

However, picking apart Anita's videos is not difficult. Her examples are extremely cherry picked, removed from context and reductive. Showing a video of a woman getting killed in a game to prove that violence against women in games is terrible in a game where men get killed in literally the same exact way with the same exact animations in much greater numbers is just ridiculous (Deus Ex and more).

Additionally, if her points were merely objectively showing tropes without any implication of sexism, it would be much easier to let things go, however she uses examples such as historical fiction (Red Dead Redemption) and pseudo historical fiction (Dishonored), in addition to the things listed above and more to somehow reach a conclusion that video games are sexist...

Her conclusions are ill founded, poorly supported and clearly started with the idea that games are sexist before going back and looking for ways to prove it (instead of gathering information and forming an objective conclusion with that information).

PS: She isn't the first to discuss sexism in video games. Extra Credits have made a number of videos better researched, better articulated and better supported with more reasonable conclusions and with significantly less backlash (pre GG).
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In one of the games I play there's a girl in our clan and one of the other guys I play with constantly harasses her. He thinks they're funny jokes but no one ever laughs, which should tell him something considering every time the girl talks she's saying sexual innuendos.
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I'm a female and play like 30 hrs of video games a week at least and I don't have this issue. And yes I play multiplayer games, including League of Legends which is notorious for having a salty community.

If you keep bringing attention to your gender, then don't be surprised if the shit talking suddenly becomes sexist. It's like that old gay guy in the recent Humans of New York post said, if you don't bring attention to it, you won't have so many issues. Stop bringing attention to your gender. If you are playing a game where you hear other people's voices, mute them? Turn off the sound entirely if you have to? Or how about just don't play it? (I question why you bought it in the first place if you knew the community is salty?)

In addition, whining that women don't have a say with video games is absolutely stupid. You do. It's called money. Buy the games you want to support. Don't support shit you consider bad. Simple as that!
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Posted 7/8/15 , edited 7/14/15

megahobbit wrote:


Buckerss wrote:


megahobbit wrote:

Really thats the part everyone cares about. She doesnt enjoy video games. Big fucking woop. I dont enjoy video games anymore. Doesnt mean I cant critique them.

Only thing Sargon proved in that video is that he is way too fucking obsessed with this women.


I don't like football, therefore I'm going to make a video series critiquing football, ask for money to kickstart it, lie about liking it, and expect to be taken seriously about it. Sure, I can do this, but people are going to harass me for it because I don't know much about football. If they did find out that I don't like football, they're going to harass me for that too.

"So you dont believe this shit? Cause I get the opposite impression."

Of course I do. There's evidence to show that the things said about her are true. I just don't believe people should be harassed. Especially not with death threats and the like, even when trolling.


Wheres the evidence son.


Look it up yourself. Google is your friend. I'm not going to waste an hour getting an essays worth of sources just for a stranger on the internet. If you really care, look it up yourself. I've wasted more than enough time on this thread for today, so I'm going to go and do something much more productive.
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megahobbit wrote:

Really thats the part everyone cares about. She doesnt enjoy video games. Big fucking woop. I dont enjoy video games anymore. Doesnt mean I cant critique them.

Only thing Sargon proved in that video is that he is way too fucking obsessed with this women.


You were the one claiming that this was all nothing but conspiratorial BS...

However, picking apart Anita's videos is not difficult. Her examples are extremely cherry picked, removed from context and reductive. Showing a video of a woman getting killed in a game to prove that violence against women in games is terrible in a game where men get killed in literally the same exact way with the same exact animations in much greater numbers is just ridiculous (Deus Ex and more).

Her conclusions are ill founded, poorly supported and clearly started with the idea that games are sexist before going back and looking for ways to prove it (instead of gathering information and forming an objective conclusion with that information).

PS: She isn't the first to discuss sexism in video games. Extra Credits have made a number of videos better researched, better articulated and better supported with more reasonable conclusions and with significantly less backlash (pre GG).



You were the one claiming that this was all nothing but conspiratorial BS...


It mostly was


However, picking apart Anita's videos is not difficult. Her examples are extremely cherry picked, removed from context and reductive. Showing a video of a woman getting killed in a game to prove that violence against women in games is terrible in a game where men get killed in literally the same exact way with the same exact animations in much greater numbers is just ridiculous (Deus Ex and more).


All are valid points but are drowned out by harassment.


Additionally, if her points were merely objectively showing tropes without any implication of sexism, it would be much easier to let things go, however she uses examples such as historical fiction (Red Dead Redemption) and pseudo historical fiction (Dishonored), in addition to the things listed above and more to somehow reach a conclusion that video games are sexist...


Okay Dishonored was sexist. I thought it was sexist even when I was a 14 year old huge Anti-Feminist Sarkeesian hater I saw and agreed with her points. You leave a women with and implied rapist and THATS THE GOOD OPTION.


Her conclusions are ill founded, poorly supported and clearly started with the idea that games are sexist before going back and looking for ways to prove it (instead of gathering information and forming an objective conclusion with that information).


Theres no objective measure of sexism anyone who thinks you can objectively measure sexism no matter what side of feminism you are is stupid.


PS: She isn't the first to discuss sexism in video games. Extra Credits have made a number of videos better researched, better articulated and better supported with more reasonable conclusions and with significantly less backlash (pre GG)


She is the first from an academic sphere and not from the fandom. The fact someone considered gaming worthy enough of cultural critique who wasnt a fan is nothing but a plus in my book.
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Posted 7/8/15 , edited 7/14/15

Buckerss wrote:


megahobbit wrote:


Buckerss wrote:


megahobbit wrote:

Really thats the part everyone cares about. She doesnt enjoy video games. Big fucking woop. I dont enjoy video games anymore. Doesnt mean I cant critique them.

Only thing Sargon proved in that video is that he is way too fucking obsessed with this women.


I don't like football, therefore I'm going to make a video series critiquing football, ask for money to kickstart it, lie about liking it, and expect to be taken seriously about it. Sure, I can do this, but people are going to harass me for it because I don't know much about football. If they did find out that I don't like football, they're going to harass me for that too.

"So you dont believe this shit? Cause I get the opposite impression."

Of course I do. There's evidence to show that the things said about her are true. I just don't believe people should be harassed. Especially not with death threats and the like, even when trolling.


Wheres the evidence son.


Look it up yourself. Google is your friend. I'm not going to waste an hour getting an essays worth of sources just for a stranger on the internet. If you really care, look it up yourself. I've wasted more than enough time on this thread for today, so I'm going to go and do something much more productive.


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Oh... Another sexism thread... I see this is the new hot topic in the general discussion forum.

I was literally waiting to see what the next sexism thread would be about. Oh, crunchyroll.
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Posted 7/8/15 , edited 7/14/15

megahobbit wrote:


sundin13 wrote:

You were the one claiming that this was all nothing but conspiratorial BS...

However, picking apart Anita's videos is not difficult. Her examples are extremely cherry picked, removed from context and reductive. Showing a video of a woman getting killed in a game to prove that violence against women in games is terrible in a game where men get killed in literally the same exact way with the same exact animations in much greater numbers is just ridiculous (Deus Ex and more).

Her conclusions are ill founded, poorly supported and clearly started with the idea that games are sexist before going back and looking for ways to prove it (instead of gathering information and forming an objective conclusion with that information).

PS: She isn't the first to discuss sexism in video games. Extra Credits have made a number of videos better researched, better articulated and better supported with more reasonable conclusions and with significantly less backlash (pre GG).



You were the one claiming that this was all nothing but conspiratorial BS...


It mostly was


However, picking apart Anita's videos is not difficult. Her examples are extremely cherry picked, removed from context and reductive. Showing a video of a woman getting killed in a game to prove that violence against women in games is terrible in a game where men get killed in literally the same exact way with the same exact animations in much greater numbers is just ridiculous (Deus Ex and more).


All are valid points but are drowned out by harassment.


Additionally, if her points were merely objectively showing tropes without any implication of sexism, it would be much easier to let things go, however she uses examples such as historical fiction (Red Dead Redemption) and pseudo historical fiction (Dishonored), in addition to the things listed above and more to somehow reach a conclusion that video games are sexist...


Okay Dishonored was sexist. I thought it was sexist even when I was a 14 year old huge Anti-Feminist Sarkeesian hater I saw and agreed with her points. You leave a women with and implied rapist and THATS THE GOOD OPTION.


Her conclusions are ill founded, poorly supported and clearly started with the idea that games are sexist before going back and looking for ways to prove it (instead of gathering information and forming an objective conclusion with that information).


Theres no objective measure of sexism anyone who thinks you can objectively measure sexism no matter what side of feminism you are is stupid.


PS: She isn't the first to discuss sexism in video games. Extra Credits have made a number of videos better researched, better articulated and better supported with more reasonable conclusions and with significantly less backlash (pre GG)


She is the first from an academic sphere and not from the fandom. The fact someone considered gaming worthy enough of cultural critique who wasnt a fan is nothing but a plus in my book.


"All are valid points but are drowned out by harassment."

She is the one who is constantly signal boosting this harassment and making it so much louder than the actual responses to her points. She is the one ignoring criticism in favor of the unhelpful trolls that everyone who makes controversial content are exposed to.

"Okay Dishonored was sexist. "

Granted, I don't recall which scene you are talking about, but you didn't describe anything sexist there. Stupid? Sure. Sexist? No...

"Theres no objective measure of sexism"

The "objective conclusion" I was talking about was not about measuring sexism, it was approaching the idea without bias up to your ears.

"She is the first from an academic sphere and not from the fandom"

Implying Anita is an academic is an insult to academics...Also, how is Anita in any way a plus when all she really did was misrepresent gaming, misrepresent gamers and start shit potentially further predisposing gamers against the feminist bull that she is selling?
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