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Posted 7/8/15 , edited 7/14/15

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"All are valid points but are drowned out by harassment."

She is the one who is constantly signal boosting this harassment and making it so much louder than the actual responses to her points. She is the one ignoring criticism in favor of the unhelpful trolls that everyone who makes controversial content are exposed to.

"Okay Dishonored was sexist. "

Granted, I don't recall which scene you are talking about, but you didn't describe anything sexist there. Stupid? Sure. Sexist? No...

"Theres no objective measure of sexism"

The "objective conclusion" I was talking about was not about measuring sexism, it was approaching the idea without bias up to your ears.

"She is the first from an academic sphere and not from the fandom"

Implying Anita is an academic is an insult to academics...Also, how is Anita in any way a plus when all she really did was misrepresent gaming, misrepresent gamers and start shit potentially further predisposing gamers against the feminist bull that she is selling?


1. Shes pointing out the egriogious amount of harrassment she recieves. It is not okay that gamers harass women.

2. ...How is it not sexist that you leave a unconscious women to be carted off with a man who says "on day she will learn to love me" rapey shit, and have this portrayed as the good option.

If a game had you leave a unconscious Gay man with a person who says "One day hell learn to be straight" and this is the good option how would it not be homophobic

3. There is no such thing as an objective viewpoint

4. She has a degree in feminist theory that makes here and academic.

And secondly she never misrepresented gamers. Gamers misrepresented themselves. They flew a storm of intense bile at her.
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>I don't enjoy video games anymore, doesn't mean I can't critique them.
Which is why no one will ever take you seriously.
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1. Shes pointing out the egriogious amount of harrassment she recieves. It is not okay that gamers harass women.

2. ...How is it not sexist that you leave a unconscious women to be carted off with a man who says "on day she will learn to love me" rapey shit, and have this portrayed as the good option.

If a game had you leave a unconscious Gay man with a person who says "One day hell learn to be straight" and this is the good option how would it not be homophobic

3. There is no such thing as an objective viewpoint

4. She has a degree in feminist theory that makes here and academic.

And secondly she never misrepresented gamers. Gamers misrepresented themselves. They flew a storm of intense bile at her.


1. Welcome to the internet. If you have an opinion, you will get harassed. It happens to both sides of the debate, but one side did what the authorities recommend and simply delete it, while the other makes it their identity and profits off of it.

2. Wait, are you implying that Corvo is a rapist?

PS: Depictions of sexism =/= sexism, especially in historical or pseudo historical works

3. Quit faffing about with semantics. You know exactly what I'm saying. First of all, while objective viewpoints are impossible, they should still be strived for. That is what makes a good scientist or reporter. Getting as close to objective as possible. Second, Anita's bias is so incredibly thick that is distorts all of her points and causes her to assert things that aren't true and make connections that don't exist. Obviously failing to get anywhere near objective.

4. Have you read her thesis? I have...I regret that decision.

"she never misrepresented gamers": Saying that a minority of people speak for all gamers, when that has clearly been shown to not be anywhere close to the case (again, I bring up the statistic from a feminist organization saying something like 65 out of almost 10,000 twitter accounts blocked by the ggautoblocker were related to harassment and GG, which is a pretty insubstantial minority).
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Posted 7/8/15 , edited 7/14/15

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megahobbit wrote:

1. Shes pointing out the egriogious amount of harrassment she recieves. It is not okay that gamers harass women.

2. ...How is it not sexist that you leave a unconscious women to be carted off with a man who says "on day she will learn to love me" rapey shit, and have this portrayed as the good option.

If a game had you leave a unconscious Gay man with a person who says "One day hell learn to be straight" and this is the good option how would it not be homophobic

3. There is no such thing as an objective viewpoint

4. She has a degree in feminist theory that makes here and academic.

And secondly she never misrepresented gamers. Gamers misrepresented themselves. They flew a storm of intense bile at her.


1. Welcome to the internet. If you have an opinion, you will get harassed. It happens to both sides of the debate, but one side did what the authorities recommend and simply delete it, while the other makes it their identity and profits off of it.

2. Wait, are you implying that Corvo is a rapist?

PS: Depictions of sexism =/= sexism, especially in historical or pseudo historical works

3. Quit faffing about with semantics. You know exactly what I'm saying. First of all, while objective viewpoints are impossible, they should still be strived for. That is what makes a good scientist or reporter. Getting as close to objective as possible. Second, Anita's bias is so incredibly thick that is distorts all of her points and causes her to assert things that aren't true and make connections that don't exist. Obviously failing to get anywhere near objective.

4. Have you read her thesis? I have...I regret that decision.

"she never misrepresented gamers": Saying that a minority of people speak for all gamers, when that has clearly been shown to not be anywhere close to the case (again, I bring up the statistic from a feminist organization saying something like 65 out of almost 10,000 twitter accounts blocked by the ggautoblocker were related to harassment and GG, which is a pretty insubstantial minority).


1. Thats not a good thing

2. No thats not what I said (though you can get into a bathtub with the one person and the game ends) Im talking about the mission with the 3 ladies in different masks. You need to kill one and the non kill option is to leave her with a creepy guy who says "she will learn to love me" some pretty heavy implied rapist shit right there

3. She is viewing a game from a feminist perspective. Thats not really a bias. Striving for an objective bias is kind of pointless.

4. There is an undeniable incredibly large misogynistic segment of nerd culture. Whether or not there the minority they speak the loudest. GGautoblocker is flawed cause its an autoblocker.
Posted 7/8/15

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Guess you never heard about Zoe Quinn, Brianna Wu, and Rachel Bryk.

Also so? For women, its most of the time its sexual objectification while male characters are idolized. A lot of us don't wanna look or be like how most female characters are in games.
That's not what I'm saying. Obviously not all of them do that, but a good amount of them do. I've been in several gaming communities for a while & most of them I was in, (specifically competitive online games) you might see it often. And experience it often if you're a female.


Zoe Quinn sleeping around to get good reviews. Targeted by gamergate because that should not be ok.
I haven't heard of Brianna Wu
I hadn't heard of Rachel either, but looking her up, it seems she had problems before someone told her to jump off a bridge.

I don't see the difference between sexual objectification and this so called "Idolizing". Care to elaborate?

Mind being specific on what online games? Just so I can understand the type of communities you've been in. Not all game communities are the same after all.

An ex she had apparently made most of the stuff you here about her up . That includes sleeping around for reviews & leaking her nudes.

Idolization. Guys wanna be heroic, strong, smart, brave etc.
And they usually are in video games. Their design is often an indication of that (with western video games anyway).
While females look the same & are usually reduced down to eye candy. They're useless, weak, always end up (or needs to) be saved by a man, support the man in someway, and often incompetent. I know for sure, I dont want or admire any of those traits.
MMORPGs mostly. Usually the ones where PVP might be a big part of it.
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>I don't enjoy video games anymore, doesn't mean I can't critique them.
Which is why no one will ever take you seriously.


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megahobbit wrote:
1. Thats not a good thing

2. No thats not what I said (though you can get into a bathtub with the one person and the game ends) Im talking about the mission with the 3 ladies in different masks. You need to kill one and the non kill option is to leave her with a creepy guy who says "she will learn to love me" some pretty heavy implied rapist shit right there

3. She is viewing a game from a feminist perspective. Thats not really a bias. Striving for an objective bias is kind of pointless.

4. There is an undeniable incredibly large misogynistic segment of nerd culture. Whether or not there the minority they speak the loudest. GGautoblocker is flawed cause its an autoblocker.


1. No, but it shouldn't be used to support a feminist agenda.

2. Ah...still not sexist though

3. Yeah, it is bias. If you start with the conclusion "games are sexist", and then go out to find evidence supporting that conclusion, you are doing things backwards. This is clear by the way she misrepresents games to make them fit into her narrative. If thats what feminist critique is, than I want no part in it.

4. Misogynistic or trolls? Incredibly Large or an extreme minority?

GGautoblocker: Of course it was flawed, and yet it was still used by the IGDA...

If you want a better source, try this: https:[email protected]/an-actual-statistical-analysis-of-gamergate-dfd809858f68



This suggests that of all the GamerGate tweets, around 0.5% (around 7% of all tweets sent to these individuals were negative and these tweets made up less than 10% of the total number of tweets about GG) were negative(not necessarily harassment) sent to prominent figures such as Brianna Wu and Leigh Alexander....

Not exactly the movement centered around harassment that the media made it out to be...
Posted 7/8/15 , edited 7/8/15

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I'm a female and play like 30 hrs of video games a week at least and I don't have this issue. And yes I play multiplayer games, including League of Legends which is notorious for having a salty community.

If you keep bringing attention to your gender, then don't be surprised if the shit talking suddenly becomes sexist. It's like that old gay guy in the recent Humans of New York post said, if you don't bring attention to it, you won't have so many issues. Stop bringing attention to your gender. If you are playing a game where you hear other people's voices, mute them? Turn off the sound entirely if you have to? Or how about just don't play it? (I question why you bought it in the first place if you knew the community is salty?)

In addition, whining that women don't have a say with video games is absolutely stupid. You do. It's called money. Buy the games you want to support. Don't support shit you consider bad. Simple as that!

30 hrs sounds kinda sad tbh. Sounds like you just sit at home all day with no job or school to go to. I got shit to do so literally the most hours I can get is probably 12. Anyway..
How do we bring attention to our gender? By mentioning we're female? Or using voice chat? Either way, we aren't the cause of the sexism we have just because a guy figures out we're female.
Most of us probably end up not doing that. By not mentioning it at all or even pretending we're guys. Most of the time, people assume you're a guy too unless you tell them. We shouldn't have to do that, but we gotta in order to avoid any possible harassment.
I don't really do that, but if they ask if I was male or female, I just say female. Because I am. I really do it to just see if they're sexist trash. I don't wanna be with them any longer if they are.
Also we do buy video games. If we didn't, how would we be playing them? lmao
Honestly I see guys doing that more so than females. Because if pirating. I admit I pirate games myself, but eventually buy them. But if they're shitty, yeah I rather pirate it.
So females do buy their games. Its the guys who don't. Yet they get the say in them all the time. Hm.
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sundin13 wrote:


megahobbit wrote:
1. Thats not a good thing

2. No thats not what I said (though you can get into a bathtub with the one person and the game ends) Im talking about the mission with the 3 ladies in different masks. You need to kill one and the non kill option is to leave her with a creepy guy who says "she will learn to love me" some pretty heavy implied rapist shit right there

3. She is viewing a game from a feminist perspective. Thats not really a bias. Striving for an objective bias is kind of pointless.

4. There is an undeniable incredibly large misogynistic segment of nerd culture. Whether or not there the minority they speak the loudest. GGautoblocker is flawed cause its an autoblocker.


1. No, but it shouldn't be used to support a feminist agenda.

2. Ah...still not sexist though

3. Yeah, it is bias. If you start with the conclusion "games are sexist", and then go out to find evidence supporting that conclusion, you are doing things backwards. This is clear by the way she misrepresents games to make them fit into her narrative. If thats what feminist critique is, than I want no part in it.

4. Misogynistic or trolls? Incredibly Large or an extreme minority?

GGautoblocker: Of course it was flawed, and yet it was still used by the IGDA...

If you want a better source, try this: https:[email protected]/an-actual-statistical-analysis-of-gamergate-dfd809858f68



This suggests that of all the GamerGate tweets, around 0.5% (around 7% of all tweets sent to these individuals were negative and these tweets made up less than 10% of the total number of tweets about GG) were negative(not necessarily harassment) sent to prominent figures such as Brianna Wu and Leigh Alexander....

Not exactly the movement centered around harassment that the media made it out to be...


1. MUH FEMINIST AGENDA.

2. No it is pretty fucking sexist

3. Her point is that most women in games only are viewed in a couple tropes. She is going into each game predisposed to see how many women fit these tropes in there. Thats what the series is about.

4. Im gonna guess they were not trolls from my experiences on /v/

5. Yeah because at the end of the day its better to use a flawed system than face that harassment.
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Buckerss wrote:

Zoe Quinn sleeping around to get good reviews. Targeted by gamergate because that should not be ok.
I haven't heard of Brianna Wu
I hadn't heard of Rachel either, but looking her up, it seems she had problems before someone told her to jump off a bridge.

I don't see the difference between sexual objectification and this so called "Idolizing". Care to elaborate?

Mind being specific on what online games? Just so I can understand the type of communities you've been in. Not all game communities are the same after all.

An ex she had apparently made most of the stuff you here about her up . That includes sleeping around for reviews & leaking her nudes.

Idolization. Guys wanna be heroic, strong, smart, brave etc.
And they usually are in video games. Their design is often an indication of that (with western video games anyway).
While females look the same & are usually reduced down to eye candy. They're useless, weak, always end up (or needs to) be saved by a man, support the man in someway, and often incompetent. I know for sure, I dont want or admire any of those traits.
MMORPGs mostly. Usually the ones where PVP might be a big part of it.


Just going to quickly address what you said about female characters while I have a minute.

Samus Aran - Metroid
Lara Croft - Tomb Raider
Bayonetta - Bayonetta
Chell - Portal
Heather Mason - Silent Hill 3
Faith Connors - Mirrors Edge

That's off the top of my head.
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anzn wrote:
An ex she had apparently made most of the stuff you here about her up . That includes sleeping around for reviews & leaking her nudes.

Idolization. Guys wanna be heroic, strong, smart, brave etc.
And they usually are in video games. Their design is often an indication of that (with western video games anyway).
While females look the same & are usually reduced down to eye candy. They're useless, weak, always end up (or needs to) be saved by a man, support the man in someway, and often incompetent. I know for sure, I dont want or admire any of those traits.
MMORPGs mostly. Usually the ones where PVP might be a big part of it.


Yeah also what was fucking crazy was that the only mention by any of the accused guys of Zoe Quinn in any of there articles was when her name was included in a list of people.

Posted 7/8/15 , edited 7/8/15

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anzn wrote:


Buckerss wrote:

Zoe Quinn sleeping around to get good reviews. Targeted by gamergate because that should not be ok.
I haven't heard of Brianna Wu
I hadn't heard of Rachel either, but looking her up, it seems she had problems before someone told her to jump off a bridge.

I don't see the difference between sexual objectification and this so called "Idolizing". Care to elaborate?

Mind being specific on what online games? Just so I can understand the type of communities you've been in. Not all game communities are the same after all.

An ex she had apparently made most of the stuff you here about her up . That includes sleeping around for reviews & leaking her nudes.

Idolization. Guys wanna be heroic, strong, smart, brave etc.
And they usually are in video games. Their design is often an indication of that (with western video games anyway).
While females look the same & are usually reduced down to eye candy. They're useless, weak, always end up (or needs to) be saved by a man, support the man in someway, and often incompetent. I know for sure, I dont want or admire any of those traits.
MMORPGs mostly. Usually the ones where PVP might be a big part of it.


Just going to quickly address what you said about female characters while I have a minute.

Samus Aran - Metroid
Lara Croft - Tomb Raider
Bayonetta - Bayonetta
Chell - Portal
Heather Mason - Silent Hill 3
Faith Connors - Mirrors Edge

That's off the top of my head.

And that's it really.
And out of the millions of video games we have. Those are the only well known ones people like.
All the iconic video game characters are male too. While I do love both Samus & Chell, I'm pretty sure if they spoke more during the game or if you could see them, they probably wouldn't be. Also when they were first introduced, and shown immediately they were female.
In the first Metroid you couldn't tell Samus was female until you beat the game in a certain amount of time and they gave no indication she was in the beginning and was wearing the power suit the whole time.
Chell you can only see in like a mirror or through another portal. The whole game you were in first person & never really gave any indication she was a female too.
I'm glad they got the popularity they deserve, but they shouldnt get it by not telling the player their gender at the start of the game imo.
Bayonetta is like female sexualization done right. Instead of sexual objectification, it was sexual empowerment (and some feminists need to really learn the difference between the two I admit.)
We need more female characters like those though. And guys to not be afraid/turn down playing female main characters too.
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Just going to quickly address what you said about female characters while I have a minute.

Samus Aran - Metroid
Lara Croft - Tomb Raider
Bayonetta - Bayonetta
Chell - Portal
Heather Mason - Silent Hill 3
Faith Connors - Mirrors Edge

That's off the top of my head.


A couple of exceptions is not full equality. I say that being fans of most of those games.
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megahobbit wrote: A couple of exceptions is not full equality.

You could never demand full "equality" in video games and if you talk about it need more female characters well they don't "need" it.

There is a lot of games with female characters, and some is quite good and we really going to forget all the good things they did with lara croft and how much they worked on that its not like they don't want to make games with a "strong" female character.
Mario has had this for years, and many other combat or racing games.
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We need more female characters like those though. And guys to not be afraid/turn down playing female main characters too.


Alot of that is ingrained social shit. I remember I was rather self conscious of my dad making a comment about how I made my character in fallout new vegas a girl and that kept me from playing games with female characters for a while.

Also while were on the subject why is it fucking impossible to make a male in that game not look bland as shit.
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megahobbit wrote: A couple of exceptions is not full equality.

You could never demand full "equality" in video games and if you talk about it need more female characters well they don't "need" it.

There is a lot of games with female characters, and some is quite good and we really going to forget all the good things they did with lara croft and how much they worked on that its not like they don't want to make games with a "strong" female character.
Mario has had this for years, and many other combat or racing games.


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