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Posted 7/10/15
Please don't remind me how much my country is blowing on buying these useless things from the US. Must be nice having the Prime Minister in your pocket.
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I know, like we fucking need something that cost that much, but we have to pay our debts.
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Canada also wasted billions on the F-35's. At this point it would have been cheaper to upgrade the older models rather than buy dozens of F-35's sight unseen.

I think there was also a different model the government was looking at getting to replace the F-16's and Harriers which was cheaper than the F-35 (and now would have been just as or more capable), but the government went "nah, let's spend way more on a jet we just have a list of maybe specs for and is years away from any practical real-world testing!" My mind is a bit fuzzy on this though, so I could be remembering incorrectly.

There's a reason why the F-16 has been around for decades. Just goes to show that newer ≠ better.
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Russia probably wouldn't sell to the US... Due to their history, you know...

Also the military works entirely diff in Russia and the US, Russian jets have less safety features for it's pilots and I don't think any US (or western country) pilot would ever sit in a Russian fighter jet due to how little protection they provide for their pilots


The russians are happily selling their jets all around the world, money speaks loud. Also I'm sure it would be easy enough to refit the jets to fit any standards.
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As an aspiring Airman for the United States Airforce, let me clarify the purpose and intentions of the F-35 Lightning II. I understand that the F-35 is at first glance unimpressive, but it has its purposes. Firstly, the large helmet introduces the ability for the pilot to sense aerial threats through the cockpit and body of the aircraft. No other aircraft has this detection system. What this means is the ability to detect in 3 dimensions enemy aircraft in any direction; keep missile locks on targets not in line of sight, and allow for proper evasion. There is no "sneaking up behind" the F-35, because it has been outfitted with the most advanced sensory equipment designed for manned fighters in the last 2 decades. I won't go into specifics, but to put it generally, it can detect signals in multiple spectrums and weather conditions, using a combination of various sensors that can detect everything from laser locks to infrared radio. The F-35 also has multiple variants, each designed for the precision roles in the branches used by them. The F-35 C variant (Navy's version) has vertical takeoff and landing capabilities; while it is not the first fighter to do so, it is the first fighter to have this ability coupled with practical ranged flight. The single engine of the F-35 is also economic and fuel efficient in comparison with our previous air superiority fighter, the F-22 Raptor. Let me address your concerns about Russian and Chinese fighter craft. The F-22 far outclasses the F-35, and these foreign fighters, in terms of speed, range, flight ceiling, combat agility, and payload. However, this is the equivalent of utilizing brute strength in a fight. The F-35 is designed to be smarter; it has greater stealth than the F-22 due to its smaller size and internally mounted weapons bays; it is equip with long range missiles that can attack other aircraft from distances at which they cannot detect the F-35; the F-35 also has the 3 dimensional detection system mentioned earlier, which allows optimized coordination between pilots in a dogfight. A smaller payload than the F-22 not only increases the range of the F-35, but also lower its fuel consumption. Large amounts of ammunition are unnecessary in a dogfight, because it only takes one bullet to pass through an unarmored jet chassis to severely damage its structural integrity or even kill the pilot. The F-35 is also equip with the most advanced counter measures in any manned fighter, including chaff, EMF, and virtual electronic scrambling. Additionally, I would present to the previous case of the MiG-29 Russian fighter, which caused great concern for America during the Cold War. When a defecting Russian pilot brought a MiG-29 to Paris, where it was analyzed by allied engineers, its poor performance was revealed. The MiG-29 could in fact reach high speeds; but only in straight lines; and had very poor electronic wiring design that weighed it down and rendered it benign to what at the time was modern electronic combat (missile locking, aerial radar, twitching). Our current Commander in Chief halted funding for the majority of maintenance programs for the F-22 over his terms in office, and instead has opted to field the F-35 in its places. So you see, the F-35 has other intentions in mind, which do not fit into the "shock and awe" specifications you may have found imposing in the F-22 Raptor, or foreign air superiority fighters. As for lobbies and congress, I'll leave the politics to you; but I would remind you that the F-22 has been funded and fielded for years. I'm glad you've taken in interest in these things, because it is concerned people like you who will shape the future for us; perhaps you will find a future where we do not need air superiority fighters to blow each other up over whomever controls the earth's skies. I know that America's political system is divided, and that some people do not see eye to eye on various economical and military decisions, but I hope that you can see the perspective and purpose behind what your government decided to do.
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The U.S. military is the most technologically sophisticated armed forces in the world.
There is a reason we blow so much money on Military spending.
To even try and argue any of the U.S's equipment is under powered or that Russia, let alone China, is superior in anyway is ludicrous
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Posted 7/10/15
Good to see they've got their priorities straight.

Jesus...
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Posted 7/10/15 , edited 7/13/15
But it's got BlueTooth and a backup camera standard, right?
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Posted 7/10/15 , edited 7/13/15

Irishsushi wrote:

The U.S. military is the most technologically sophisticated armed forces in the world.
There is a reason we blow so much money on Military spending.
To even try and argue any of the U.S's equipment is under powered or that Russia, let alone China, is superior in anyway is ludicrous


And having a couple bucks remaining to maintain the 700+ overseas military bases the American empire has.
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>Complains about being over budget
>Spends unnecessary boatloads on military


Yup, sounds just like the US.
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Posted 7/10/15

LONGNAMEYOUWONTMISS wrote:


Irishsushi wrote:

The U.S. military is the most technologically sophisticated armed forces in the world.
There is a reason we blow so much money on Military spending.
To even try and argue any of the U.S's equipment is under powered or that Russia, let alone China, is superior in anyway is ludicrous


And having a couple bucks remaining to maintain the 700+ overseas military bases the American empire has.


That is a proportion yes but a lot of money goes into RnD. Also im pretty sure if any of those countries wanted the U.S. to leave we would remove our bases their.
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Posted 7/10/15 , edited 7/10/15
I worked on F-15E's for the Air Force, easily the most well rounded and capable aircraft in the inventory right now. Feel bad for the poor bastards stuck on 35's.

The new Saudi variant fully loaded:



http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/this-is-a-fully-armed-f-15sa-the-most-advanced-product-1715732294
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Posted 7/10/15 , edited 7/10/15
I wish that the World would stop using us as Team USA World Police.



I wish we could be all like some of the Euro-countries, "Oh you got a problem, here, we'll send a single fighter and maybe the crew and spare parts to keep it air-born!"
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Posted 7/10/15
Good job America. It's not like we've got economic problems or anything right now.
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Posted 7/10/15

marklebid wrote:

But it's got BlueTooth and a backup camera standard, right?


also surround sound and neon lights
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