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Post Reply Why are all new animes only making it like 12-15 episodes wtf
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2 words.

SALES! MONEY!

People like to sell things that sell.

Sometimes the things that you like don't sell that well, therefore it is not made as much.
Sometimes the things that you don't like sell very well, therefore it is made more often than it's less sellable counterparts.

Why would a company make a good anime that doesn't sell? Why would a company make an anime long-running when they don't know if it will be popular or not? Financially, it makes no sense. Nichijou was very well received by the North American audience, but it is guaranteed to not have a second season due to very poor sales.

Yes, some of you may dislike all the current 'moe' stuff, but that is what sells.
Yes, some of you like the mature and deep anime, but that may not sell as well as the 'moe' stuff.

Nowadays, anime serve to promote their source material. Why? Because it generates a good amount of money.
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I am in agreement with the base issue of this conversation. Everyone that I know or have come in contact with love a nice and long anime program (at least 50ep). Some won't even watch if its under 25-50. Also like many I won't even watch an anime program if the main characters are in elementary school and they are sexualizing them! My wife would give me the are you sick, do we need to hide the little ones vibe. Heck I try not to watch any of the programs where the females are sexual objects. I mean it is so over the top! Again wife eyes bearing upon me, "oh this is what does it for you"?! My goodness I don't won't to feel dirty after watching what I consider the greatest art ever to appear on television. I just want great adventures, impossible odds, great friendships, amazing love stories, (love not lust) violence, lots and lots of super power violence, and so much more! Please don't misunderstand me I understand there's a market for smut. But one; please little girls should be off limits, and the anime I have grown to love over the last 30 years (showing my age shut up you whippers) never ever needed gimics to become popular, or have great success. I guess if anything I would want the industry to realize there is a large dedicated base that wants the amazing tales from what could be agrued as the greatest imaginations on the planet! IE: HUNTER X HUNTER, STEINS GATE, KYOSOGIGA-(simply amazing KYOSOGIGA-is like if Disney honestly, purely and justly did an anime. That is one of the amines with a short run 12ep but it just works) just to name a few. There are many many more and if I had to pull out a new one I have high hopes for it would be "god EATER". Well I guess I'll get of my soapbox, just my opinion. Regardless, Japan animation is truly second to no one! I'll always be a fan.....Hope I won't be left behind as the industry moves forward.
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Anime is a risky business and can often be quite low margin (as in taking a low amount of money in profit as compared to how much was spent to make it).

Lets say that you spend a million dollars making a season of anime. They make some money off of broadcasting, but the majority of the profits are in disc sales. So lets say they manage to sell 10,000 copies, and lets also say that brings the margins to 5%. Ok cool they netted 50k. But what if they sell 20,000 copies? At that point you can basically double those margins, then subtract the amount of money it takes to physically produce those copies. Those costs tend to be pennies on the dollar though, so effectively you've now nearly doubled your profit margins to nearly 10% or a 100,000 dollar profit. But unfortunately for these single cour series you're talking about, they are the ones that are on the low end of the spectrum.

Ever wonder why discs are so expensive? It's because anime production is expensive as well, and they often struggle to turn a profit because of it. So they are soaking their customers for all they can possibly get away with in an effort to keep afloat.

So why do it?

Well it's because that while anime may be a risky/potentially low profit endeavor, Light Novels and Manga are not. The fact that amateurs can easily do it themselves speaks volumes for how cheap the processes can be. And do you know what happens to Light Novel and Manga sales when an anime that they're based on starts to air? They skyrocket.

So what these companies are hoping to do is to create sort of a selling cycle: If the source material for something sells well enough they'll give it an anime. If the anime drives sales of the source material high enough then it's easier to justify the creation of more novels/manga. And if the anime sells really well they can justify making more anime as well.

That's in a perfect world though. And since this is so market driven, the scenario is more likely to be this: Source material sells well enough to justify an anime. Anime doesn't sell very well. Source material limps along a while longer until it ends.

This isn't to say that anime can not be profitable by itself though. It definitely can be. It's just all about how much it can sell. If sales are absolutely insane, those profits can be insane as well. I say that LN/Manga are a higher margin product. But that's only because they are cheap to produce so you have a better chance to make your investment back. Anime has much wider appeal, and therefore has much more room for growth.
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Ive been watching anime for a good 15 years before we used to have to get vhs imports from japan or if you had a japanese friend in canada they had japanese satalite channels so we would go there to watch like dragonball and shit before its release on ytv back in the day.

early millenium up until about 2008-2010 we had animes that would reach like a 50 episode minimum now its like these animes cant make it over 25 episodes but they build on characters and stories like there getting for a detective conan run 700 episodes plus lmfao.

even there seasons are only making ti 12 episodes we gotta wait half year before we get another season and almost forget about the show LOOK WAT HAPPEND TO HUNTER X HUNTER MY GOD HELP ME WHILE IM YOUNG CAN HE JUST SIGN OVER THE RIGHTS TO SOMEONE HE TRUST TO FINISH THE EFFIN MANGA

anywho lol just wonder why like 3 or 4 of my spring animes all just ended. like :
is it wrong to try to pick up girls in a dungeon WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY ARE YOU FINISHEDDD???
triage x WTFFFFFF
YONA OF THE DAWNN corny butt gooooood whyyyyyyyyy
the irregular at magic high schoool BADASS COMPLETE PWNAGE
MAGI MADE IT 51 EPISODE BUT THE MANGA IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND AT ITS CLIMAX RIGHT NOW
Toriko ended last year and they ROYAL SH** SLAMMED THE ANIME COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM MANGA
Black bullet SICKKK
WORLD BREAK WASSS DOPEEEEE THEY COULDA WENT SOOO FAR
WHERE THE HELL IS TERRAFORMARS THAT WASNT EVEN FAIR JUST NEVER CAME BACK OUT
they built that story up like it was gonna run for a good 100 episodes
blade and soul was ridiculous but nooooo yall wanna cut it off
thats just a couple thoughhh im confused now its monday morning theres no tribal cool crew this friday there was no shokugeki no soma ahhhhh i dont know wat to do with my self


This isn't anything new if you have been watching anime as long as I have, shows that go more then one season happen but there is a lot that only make it one mostly because the story doesn't have the legs to carry it. In other cases it will keep going right now you are seeing a bunch of the mid-season recaps which granted are fun sometimes but frankly if you have it one streaming start at the beginning and watch it from there. But as for a show getting dropped after a season that is normally because it just can't cut it and there is something better in the works.

Most of the shows you are going on about are designed as one shots this isn't uncommon in Japan for anime unlike the states they feel it is better to tell a story and be done with it if there is enough demand for more it will continue with a new story. If they build the story and it disappears something happened between the writer and the company producing the show in some cases in others it just doesn't have the legs and the fans stop watching it in japan not much we can do about that here since our viewing habits mean nothing to the producers.

Thats just the way anime has always been for as long as I can remember just watch the anime new sites and wait happens to all of us at some point with our favorite shows.
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man I wish my little monster was longer... and angel beats, as well as noragami. ALSO TERROR in the Resonance Should have been more than 12 episodes there was barely character development!!


Noragami has been confirmed for season 2
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Setting aside all the sub-discussion about what sells and what doesn't, and what series are short but TBC (I'm pretty sure Akatsuki no Yona will continue since the manga's still ongoing), there's something to be said for anime series that are shorter, but better quality, and don't run a story into the ground for the sake of fanservice, etc. For example (warning: honest opinion ahead), I feel that ALDNOAH.ZERO's first season was quite good, but the second season was a mostly bland, mostly disappointing continuation of a story that should have been ended far sooner.

And since somebody mentioned Terror in Resonance, I think it too tells a very particular kind of story---one that doesn't need to go on forever. (I won't discuss the whys of character development here, though, because I'm sure there's already a topic for it.)

If these examples offend or are deemed unsuitable for some other reason, I have others, but I think I've said enough to make my feelings on this subject clear, and I don't want to waste anyone's time.

To the OP: If you're looking for something to do, I suggest reading a book, or going for a walk when the weather's good!
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Wait, the manga of Magi is ending?

Anyway it seems like you're looking for long running anime, but the main reason anime is 12-24 episodes is budget. Compare any anime you saw recently with One Piece, the quality is lacking, there's lots of recap, and it's translating like a chapter per episode because it caught up long ago.

As for long running I'd recommend Ace of Diamond, it starts off with a lot of comedy but quickly turns into a fantastic baseball anime that has over 70 episodes and still on going.
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Yeah this. Too much competition(especially in Japan), piracy, etc
I've read that alot of anime gets made with pretty short dead lines and there are ALOT of people involved. I also read alot of it is made off shore like in South Korea because its cheaper.
Iam guessing that if an anime dose not sell enough is the reason it dose not continue/go longer.
But yeah i have noticed that alot of series do seem to have only been planned to be short, i mean they actually do have a ending, as oppsoed to the ones that just get discontinued.
I dont read manga but yu always hear of manga being well ahead of the anime or that the anime was cut alot to be shorter than the manga.
I was sad that "Kannagi: Crazy Shrine Maidens" was cut short but this was due to teh creator suffering bad heatlh.

Reading other peoples comments and thinking back, it did seem more common for series to be longer back in the day. Tenchi Muyo, Ranma 1/2, El~Hazard, Robo tech, to name a few but there were alot that i reckon would have about 5-6 volumes so probably 16-24 episodes was more common than the now 12-16.

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I'm honestly still waiting for more episodes of BTOOOM! Even though i know it won't happen
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http://www.crunchyroll.com/lineup

Hey look 18 ongoing series. Looks like you're wrong.

So my question to you is, what language do they speak in Canada, because whatever you wrong sure the hell wasn't English.
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Its nothing new , there was lot of older series that I wanted to go on didn't. And it always made me sad.
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eechi/harem/moe anime has ruin the industry for me and CR is full of it, that's why I don't bother to pay for premium.

I miss the days with great shows like Monster, Gungrave (26 episodes but it was good) etc

The only anime I really liked with teenagers was NANA. The characters were in their 15-29 and they all behave realistically but it never had a proper ending, same with Berserk >_> btw, Berserk is my favorite anime/manga, I don't see more anime like it.
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eechi/harem/moe anime has ruin the industry for me and CR is full of it, that's why I don't bother to pay for premium.

I miss the days with great shows like Monster, Gungrave (26 episodes but it was good) etc

The only anime I really liked with teenagers was NANA. The characters were in their 15-29 and they all behave realistically but it never had a proper ending, same with Berserk >_> btw, Berserk is my favorite anime/manga, I don't see more anime like it.


I have some same views but found this anime and its totally pulled me in- Michiko and Hatchin all characters are either black or Hispanic takes place in Latin America somewhere gives me hope real people anime exists its pretty cool and life lesson harsh
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Some of these complaints are to the authors for being perceived as "slow," not the anime producers.

Lots of shows are pushed out before enough material builds up. Manga is much slower than anime. It's also clear most times people dislike fillers, so that necessitates ending a season and resuming the show when more stock is built up. The "big 3/4" have become really really slow and filler-ridden because for ratings and market position, they don't think they *can* take a break (when they really should).
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thestars201 wrote:

For me, it doesn't matter as long as the anime wraps up nicely.



^^This.
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For an explanation, watch the first 4 minutes and 12 seconds of Episode 145 of Gintama. They explain the anime business pretty damn succinctly.
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