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Is Sexualization Bad?
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Posted 7/14/15

Morbidhanson wrote:

I don't think it is necessarily bad. I don't think nearly anything is necessarily bad. It all depends on the context and the circumstances. Can't usually just look at one thing and say the entire thing is assuredly bad.


This is what we need more of, people that get that it completely depends on the situation and people involved
Posted 7/14/15 , edited 7/14/15

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anzn wrote:


CSPower wrote:

Making sexism threads is a stupid way to become popular >_>

No one is right in the end and it only pisses people off ._.

Plz don't make anymore -_-

You think my intention in making those threads was to gain popularity?????
?????
Well, I'm pretty popular alright.
Getting bombarded by meninists, MRAs, MGTOW's, stupid/ignorant people in general...
Yeah this was all intentional.


Wasn't really directed to you, but while I'm here...you did kinda word it in a way that left the reader to assume it as bragging ^~^

Well,
there is this wonderful thing called sarcasm.
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Posted 7/14/15

anzn wrote:


CSPower wrote:


anzn wrote:


CSPower wrote:

Making sexism threads is a stupid way to become popular >_>

No one is right in the end and it only pisses people off ._.

Plz don't make anymore -_-

You think my intention in making those threads was to gain popularity?????
?????
Well, I'm pretty popular alright.
Getting bombarded by meninists, MRAs, MGTOW's, stupid/ignorant people in general...
Yeah this was all intentional.


Wasn't really directed to you, but while I'm here...you did kinda word it in a way that left the reader to assume it as bragging ^~^

Well,
there is this wonderful thing called sarcasm.


Ok,I'll keep that in mind ^~^
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Posted 7/14/15 , edited 7/15/15
Oh, look another thread were people complain about "being sexually reprimed"! What it is more, people complaining about other people being too sensitive when many anime are so easily offended when another persor slightly criticise ther favourite anime and characters! Why am I not surprised?

Seeing someonelse, even your partner, just as a sexual object is what is bad. That is what people usually mean with sexual objectification. It's not really difficult to understand...

By the way, I'm ****ing tired of seeing hypocritical people whining all the time about how they are look down due to their sexuality and demonizing whoever that isn't so open in sexual matters! And I ***ing tired of having to see naked or almost naked women all the time and being told to shut up and accept it by the same guys that absolutely lose their s*** whenever they see the least amount of fanservice targeted to women!

Sorry for my English, I'm not keen on revising my texts today...
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Posted 7/14/15

PrinceJudar wrote:

No.

Radical Feminists: Omg that video game character has boob physics! That character in that anime has a big bust! Holy shit they're making cartoons based off their fantasies of women, those sexist mongrels!

Men: We like women! We even like the bubbly kind or the kind that cook for us too, not just the ones that kick ass!

Radical Feminists: Bubbly? This woman is stupid you have used her as nothing more than a sex object!

Men: Actually we like her personality, there's all kinds of women, not just the masculine type...We're not acting on our hormones and making you uncomfortable, we just have them!

Radical Feminist: Yeah I see that, why did you design this character in such a skimpy outfit!? She's a slut and you sexually objectified women again.

Men: What, but I though-

Radical Feminist: You can't show cleavage on on your characters for your own sexual gratification, they're breasts! It's slutty to have them in those skimpy outfits.

Men: I could try more clothes...sorry, I didn't mean to say women we're less than men, just attractive.

Radical Feminist: Good now free the nipples

Men: wait...what? I thought breasts were too sexual!?

Radical Feminist: I SAID FREE THE NIPPLES WE ARE THE SAME AS MEN, NOT JUST EQUAL. #FREETHENIPPLE MOVEMENT

Men: I'm so confused right now.



you. you're cool


anzn wrote:

Well, I'm pretty popular alright.
Getting bombarded by meninists, MRAs, MGTOW's, stupid/ignorant people in general...
Yeah this was all intentional.


wow great job with the labeling and name calling, that's impressive even by your standards enjoy your popularity

Posted 7/14/15 , edited 7/14/15

Sogno- wrote:
wow great job with the labeling and name calling, that's impressive even by your standards enjoy your popularity

Why thank ya.
I'm very impressive indeed.
Being able to hurt peoples feelings over the internet.

I think that is impressive tbh
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Posted 7/14/15 , edited 7/14/15
I don't know.

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I am one of "those people" to whom some, and or quite the few have basically said to me your thoughts on this topic are stupid and go screw yourself. I wish humans would understand that we will never always agree with each other, and guess what....!? It's fine! You ask 100 people the same ? your may get 100 different answers. THAT IS GOOD! Where would the growth come from if we all looked at everything the same way? I'm just saying getting angry because someone doesn't agree with you is understandable. No effort to try, no heart willing to understand each other, why a person believes what they believe.... I think is counter productive. Isn't that perfectly against the genre we all love? Isn't it the villain that says you have to agree with me or I'll kill you? I'm just saying I want to understand, I want knowledge, I wanna grow. I wanna know why the sight of this thread would cause a person "to not visit this site 'cept to handle personal business". -(If I read the comment correctly.) There may pop up a thread in favor of what I may believe to be deplorable, I wouldn't in my heart push those out of my vantage. I'd want to understand. BUT again that's just me. Even tho I think it damages the one who closes him or herself off, they still have the right to make that choice. I just wish we'd listen to "Mito San", right Gon?
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Posted 7/14/15

anzn wrote:


zuzma wrote:

LOL! I like how fast these sexism threads fill up. People sure are easy to bait

They wanna have a popular thread like I did.

Also since this site is like 70% male, topics on sexism is one of the best baits.


v: Because your popularity you've achieved internet coolness so you've transcended cyberspace and gone onto real space. I have no idea about the male vs female ratios here, but it was funny to me either way. I guess I just don't really post enough to get a feel for any of the forums i visit
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Posted 7/14/15 , edited 7/14/15
Sexualization is not bad in and of itself, but the fact that women are so disproportionally sexualized compared to men is suspect.
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Posted 7/14/15 , edited 7/14/15
It depends...
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Posted 7/14/15

PrinceJudar wrote:

No.

Radical Feminists: Omg that video game character has boob physics! That character in that anime has a big bust! Holy shit they're making cartoons based off their fantasies of women, those sexist mongrels!

Men: We like women! We even like the bubbly kind or the kind that cook for us too, not just the ones that kick ass!

Radical Feminists: Bubbly? This woman is stupid you have used her as nothing more than a sex object!

Men: Actually we like her personality, there's all kinds of women, not just the masculine type...We're not acting on our hormones and making you uncomfortable, we just have them!

Radical Feminist: Yeah I see that, why did you design this character in such a skimpy outfit!? She's a slut and you sexually objectified women again.

Men: What, but I though-

Radical Feminist: You can't show cleavage on on your characters for your own sexual gratification, they're breasts! It's slutty to have them in those skimpy outfits.

Men: I could try more clothes...sorry, I didn't mean to say women we're less than men, just attractive.

Radical Feminist: Good now free the nipples

Men: wait...what? I thought breasts were too sexual!?

Radical Feminist: I SAID FREE THE NIPPLES WE ARE THE SAME AS MEN, NOT JUST EQUAL. #FREETHENIPPLE MOVEMENT

Men: I'm so confused right now.



hahahaha that's awesome and hilarious I concur btw luv your usage of the word "mongrels"

Posted 7/14/15 , edited 7/15/15

ProfessorFaust wrote:

But wait, are those really bad things? Don't we need to see our partners in a sexual light and treat them as instruments of sexual pleasure in order to procreate? Isn't sex (usually) a good thing we should want more of? Perhaps asking us to repress our biological imperatives is a bit silly.


Sexualization isn't the issue, it's objectification. And yes, it is a bad thing. People are not objects; they're not our toys and treating them as such is a rather abhorrent notion. Seeing someone as an object dehumanizes them and it leads to treating someone as an object. It's not impossible to sexualize someone and still remember that they're people and to treat them as they should be treated.

You can have sex with someone and not objectify them.

Yeah, and it's a biological thing for your body to grow hair in order to release pheromones for mate selection yet we shave almost all of that off for cosmetic purposes. Where's my thread about that being silly?
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Posted 7/14/15 , edited 7/14/15

ProfessorFaust wrote:

So there are a number of threads discussing sexism already, and one claim that keeps cropping up. "We shouldn't sexualize women. The sexual objectification of women is bad."

For the record sexualization is "to make something sexual in character or quality, or to become aware of sexuality" and sexual objectification is "the act of treating a person as an instrument of sexual pleasure" (from the respective Wikipedia articles).

But wait, are those really bad things? Don't we need to see our partners in a sexual light and treat them as instruments of sexual pleasure in order to procreate? Isn't sex (usually) a good thing we should want more of? Perhaps asking us to repress our biological imperatives is a bit silly.


Personally, I see sexualization as a normal thing for people to do since sex and sexuality are a large part of society as well as what makes us both human and a species. I mean, calling someone sexy is a complement when between people who honestly like each other in an intimate way, but isn't that a type of sexualization? What's wrong with seeing someone for their sex?

As for sexual objectification, this is where I have a line because this is where people can take things too far. Pornography aside (which is an issue I do not want to debate on here), sexual objectification can be used as a means of holding power over someone by degrading them to a state where only their sex matters. If a person is sexualized in a commercial, advertisement, or by society and there is consent (these people sign contracts for a reason), then let them do whatever they want with their body. It's when the attitude of a society only sees gender as something to be sought after sexually that you run into issues because that then overshadows their serious contributions to society.

I will say this however: anyone can do whatever they want with their body. If someone wants to become a sexual object, symbol, or be sexualized, nobody has the right to criticize what that person does so long as it doesn't harm other people or the act isn't self-destructive (ie starving themselves for beauty). That's up to them, this is a free country, and nobody has the right to judge them except themselves, and in knowing this, any consequences to their actions must be accepted fully and completely.
Posted 7/14/15 , edited 7/15/15
In media? In my personal opinion there are two ways of looking at it.

On a case by case basis, it's a matter of taste. In other words, some pieces of media sexualize their content, and whether that's good or bad is determined by an individual - but is more or less a preference. Incidentally, I myself dislike such media and tend to avoid it when I can.

However, there is another aspect to consider - and it is not an individual case, but overarching trends.

Imagine if you have a show where drug use is a major theme. Whether or not the show is bad is more or less determined by your preferences and how you feel about the theme. Now, let's say that an overwhelming majority of shows have drug use as a major theme. On a case by case basis, that same sort of idea applies, but you also have to take a look at the broader picture. The fact that this type of media is so prevalent can influence consumers at worst or serve as a reflection of cultural values at best. I understand that most people disagree with the former, so i'll just focus on the latter.

Considering that drug use is not something one really wishes to encourage in the general populace, the prevalence of it in media and romanticization of it would be illustrative of a deeper, underlying problem. It's presence in individual pieces of media wouldn't be bad, but it's prevalence would be a symptom of something bad. Simply curtailing it's presence wouldn't address the problem, but it should still be examined and treated as a symptom.

To me, the same can be said of sexualization and sexual objectification. Specifically the latter. To me, sexual objectification is always bad. Actually, any kind of objectification of a person is bad. With regard to regular sexualization - it's something I don't want to see and work to avoid, but I don't think it's inherently bad. Although, it is my observation that the two tend to go hand in hand.

But again, that's just my opinion - and i'm sure people will disagree. That's fine though. It's simply my opinion, after all. 'Sigh' ~ I really hope I don't get in a back and forth over this.
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