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Posted 7/16/15 , edited 12/13/15
I would like to see Crunchyroll remove Adobe Flash as a requirement to watch videos on the website. Flash has huge security risks and would like to see more sites support HTML5 so we can eventually get rid of Flash altogether. A quick search on Google will show countless articles on zero-day exploits for Windows/Macs/Linux devices that are enabled by using Flash to gain access to a device.

I know you have the means and technical know-how to use HTML5 since I can watch Crunchyroll on iOS devices. I would like to see the same thing for Macs/PCs.
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Posted 7/16/15
Don't worry, the fire is heating up beneath their feet. Eventually it'll be too hot for them to continue standing still ...
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Posted 7/17/15
Yes please. Get rid of this outdated Flash crap.

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Posted 7/18/15 , edited 7/18/15
HTML5 has already been in use for years now by netflix, youtube, vimeo and a number of other services, pretty sure even crunchyroll uses it on Android/iOS and smart TV platforms

i know some content providers require flash for security, yet flash is so buggy that its a security risk...

flash has alot of disadvanges like
higher cpu usage aka power usage (lower battery life!)
security risk (there is more holes in flash than its in a swish cheese)
flash brakes when there is a driver update for graphics card (more support requests!)
users need to update flash (even more support requests!)

so this boils down to
enable html5 player on shows that the content provider is enbracing new technology
disable html5 player on shows that the content provider that is a anti future of the web and that want to use ancient technology thats full of holes..

Crunchy is the only place that dont have a html5 player either as a feature or as a experimental one
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Posted 7/18/15 , edited 7/18/15
FYI: given the fact that firefox basicly DISABLED flash last week for all their users realy points out that there is need for a html5 player and facebook is calling for a end of life date for flash

http://mashable.com/2015/07/14/mozilla-disables-flash/
http://home.bt.com/tech-gadgets/tech-news/is-the-end-of-adobe-flash-near-firefox-joins-facebook-in-blocking-the-plug-in-over-security-fears-11363992478809
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Posted 7/18/15

tommyla wrote:

FYI: given the fact that firefox basicly DISABLED flash last week for all their users realy points out that there is need for a html5 player and facebook is calling for a end of life date for flash

http://mashable.com/2015/07/14/mozilla-disables-flash/
http://home.bt.com/tech-gadgets/tech-news/is-the-end-of-adobe-flash-near-firefox-joins-facebook-in-blocking-the-plug-in-over-security-fears-11363992478809


Only by default, and users could still enable it by choice. None of the players have recently completely blocked Flash, and are only relegating it to a less desirable alternative.
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Posted 7/18/15 , edited 7/18/15

tommyla wrote:

Crunchy is the only place that dont have a html5 player either as a feature or as a experimental one

Where is Hulu's HTML5 player?

On a more anime-specific front, I don't see HTML5 player support at The Anime Network, either.

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Posted 7/18/15
I do not use IOS but if I remember correctly they do not support flash, I would suspect the application there uses something else like html5.
kodi seems to acces like ios.
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Posted 7/18/15 , edited 7/18/15

salyavin wrote:

kodi seems to acces like ios.

The Kodi Crunchyroll plug-in is based on the Plex plug-in, the later versions of which use the same HLS streams as devices. So, yes.

HLS (HTTP Live Streaming) doesn't itself imply the use of HTML5, however. In fact, one reason Funimation officially states their HTML5 player only works on later versions of Safari (I believe version 6 and later), is that not all browsers that have HTML5 support HLS.

If you want to test if your browser supports HLS HMTL5 video, check this website:
http://www.jwplayer.com/html5/hls/

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Posted 7/18/15 , edited 7/18/15
When people think of HTML5 they usually think about the video player, but a major part of this is the streaming method itself.

Currently CR uses RTMPE for desktop streams and HLS for all the devices streams. RTMPE is a Flash-specific streaming method that can't be served from a normal HTTP server while HLS is an Apple thing which is required for streaming apps on iOS and is supported by Android because of that. The only browser that supports HLS natively is Apple's own Safari while all the others would require a flash wrapper.

This would probably be the ideal short-term goal since the HLS infrastructure is already all in place. One roadblock would be the fact that the current HLS streams all use hardcoded subs so they would either have to double the amount of encodes or enable softsub support via WebVTT on the devices, which could be a lot of work.

Moving away from flash entirely is a whole different story. The biggest examples, Netflix and Youtube, use something called MPEG-DASH which is still an emerging standard making use of Media Source Extensions and Encrypted Media Extensions which are W3C standards for an HTML5 api to allow browsers to support streaming and DRM related to it. Combining these with DRM solutions like Google's widevine or comparable tools from Microsoft and Adobe allow for Adaptive streaming with DRM, but Firefox still doesn't have a proper implementation of these things outside of Nightly builds so Netflix still has a Silverlight backup and youtube doesn't even bother with DRM.

So in conclusion, since Apple only allows for HLS streams in the app store, implementing MPEG-DASH streams would require a whole second layer, a desktop HTML5 player for the current HLS streams would be limited to Safari 6+ like Funi's, and a flash player for the current HLS streams would require sacrificing softsubs or doubling the encodes/enabling softsubs on devices I don't see a major change in the immediate future, but if you are interested in getting the ball rolling and live in San Francisco then you can head over to the jobs page and apply.

In the meantime, whitelisting Flash should keep you safe from any Flash related security issues if you are worried about them.

Side note: I am just a mod not a staff member or anything so I don't know what CR is or isn't working on, these are just my own thoughts on the matter.
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Posted 7/19/15 , edited 7/19/15
So what will happen after the 10 rollout in a couple of weeks ? Flash isn't needed for NF then (already there on 8.1) , other sites will probably follow (I hope) . Even the fansub sites are using HTML 5 right now . Friday afternoon & evening I could barely stream any flash from all sites (YouTube , CR ) that I tried to use . Tech support stops answering e-mails after you send a second one . Bty , I'm running Win 7 64bit thru IE 11 , everything update including flash . Flash needs to go away ...
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Posted 7/19/15 , edited 12/4/15
Another unhappy camper / beside the below The Flash crashed and had to update


It is a shame that I have been able to watch just one video from 5 PM sat 7 / 18 to Sunday 4 AM in the morning ! Not only that it is on both Oprea and Firefox and has crashed them both

I have HTML.5 fror You Tube / not a single crash since then!
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Posted 7/19/15 , edited 7/19/15
An HTML5 player would be nice so I can view episodes from the CR site on my phone rather than use the terribly old and likely discontinued Windows Phone app.

The current player is kinda clunky anyways and has a habit of freezing for no apparent reason, requiring a page refresh.
Posted 7/19/15
Hopefully Adobe takes Mozilla's suggestion and issues an end of life date for Flash and forces the issue.
In mean time I guess I'll have to settle for Chrome's sandboxed implementation of Flash and ask to activate.
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Posted 7/19/15
maybe at the very least make html5 an option
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