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Is pedophilia wrong?
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most people already know the difference between sexual abuse and pedophilia i'm sure. those two are just often corrolated with eachother.

pedophillia is wrong. its a sickness that needs to be treated. we shouldn't let these people walk around willy nilly with no treatment. no treatment to sicknesses just makes it worse to the point they'll hurt other people and maybe even themselves.

youre acting like pedophiles actually receive tons of shit from society for no reason besides that theryre pedophiles. they should be seen as despicable and disgusting because they're acts of it are morally wrong. finding children sexually attractive is disgusting. sexualizing children is disgusting. having sex with children is disgusting.

I have no idea how you can think that, when we've gotten people like Josh Dugger being defended over his acts if pedophilia, and just a ton of people in general defending it and them, even if they haven't commited the act yet or before. kinda like how you're doing right now.


Most don't, given that the topic is about pedophilia (i.e. not sexual abuse) but most people have responded something along the lines of "having sex with children is disgusting!" Add to that that most times people talk about a convicted sex offender they use the word pedophile to describe them and there is clearly an issue with people not understanding the difference.

How can an attraction be wrong? Acting on it I can give you, but by declaring an attraction - a thought, not an action - you are condoning making thoughtcrime a reality. Besides that fact, pedophilia can't be "cured." It is an orientation, and by that criterion is stable over time and resistant to efforts to change it. People tried, and still try, to cure homosexuality to very little effect - the very same has been found with pedophilia.

Pedophiles can not help what they find attractive. To treat them like this, to constantly bombard them with hate, is like hating someone for being black or gay. Most would change it if they could, even. You don't seem to have understood most of what I said, either - most pedophiles never act on their attractions, and most offenders are not pedophiles. To blame all incidents of sex crimes against children on pedophiles is no different than blaming all robberies on a racial minority or blaming all rape on all men.

Again... Pedophilia is not an act.. There is not such thing as "acts of pedophilia." Is there any evidence that Duggar is a pedophile? Has he received any testing or confessed to pervasive attractions towards children? If not, you've no leg to stand on grouping him or other sexual offenders in with pedophiles.


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From what I see in the world, most people would be glad that they're killing themselves. Humans can wish some brutal things against people when they don't know them.


Sadly, yeah. But in the same breath that people cheer over the death of a fellow human beings, they insist that pedophiles are the evil ones simply for an attraction. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.


I insist they have a problem simply for attraction I would never wish death on anyone.


Feelings can't be wrong - acting on them can.
Posted 7/18/15

malicust wrote:

Is this one of those "Let me ask a question in the third person so people don't get suspicious of me?" sort of posts? I'm disappointed in you OP


No it relates to ethics and morality, I'm not a pedphile, have a boyfriend.
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megahobbit wrote:

I insist they have a problem simply for attraction I would never wish death on anyone.


Feelings can't be wrong - acting on them can.


Im arguing mental health not morality.
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Its a sickness and child molesting is unforgiveable, recovery is 0%, which is why sexoffenders must register where they live for the redt of their lives. Aeay from schools, the data reflects that there is no cure, and no contention.

Pedophles will eventially molest a child, so saying pefophilia isny jarmful is like saying HIV isnt harmful bevause its not AIDS yet.


Where is your evidence? Many experts have said exactly otherwise, studies have suggested otherwise, etc., etc.

For example, this shows that only about 35% of offenders are pedophiles.
http://psycnet.apa.org/?&fa=main.doiLanding&doi=10.1037/0021-843X.115.3.610

There are also many sources that show that not all pedophiles offend, and most evidence suggests that most don't.
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megahobbit wrote:

I insist they have a problem simply for attraction I would never wish death on anyone.


Feelings can't be wrong - acting on them can.


Im arguing mental health not morality.


Psychiatry is often colored by social mores. Homosexuality was once thought of as a mental disorder.
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Nothing surprises me, so maybe. I seen people defend it, so, yup.

I actually think I may know where and whom you possibly read defending it, not gonna mention names obviously so I can understand why you would want other insights or opinions on the subject... um well that's all ima say gl on your thread

Posted 7/18/15

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Its a sickness and child molesting is unforgiveable, recovery is 0%, which is why sexoffenders must register where they live for the redt of their lives. Aeay from schools, the data reflects that there is no cure, and no contention.

Pedophles will eventially molest a child, so saying pefophilia isny jarmful is like saying HIV isnt harmful bevause its not AIDS yet.

recovery isn't possible, but treatment is.
I wouldn't actually go so far to compare it to HIV/AIDS though.
do sex offenders have to live away from schools?
...because there are apparently 2 sex offenders (one a pedophile actually) in my girlfriends neighborhood and they're technically 3 schools nearby in walking distance. and its even worse, that they are special needs schools too.
Posted 7/18/15 , edited 7/18/15

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Well, I probably should stay out of this - it'll only serve to stress me out, given the last couple of times this topic came up... People don't care to listen to reason when it comes to boogeymen.

I'm glad at least a few people have made the distinction between pedophilia and sexual abuse, because there is a very, very wide difference between the two. Pedophilia is only an attraction to prepubescent individuals, not an action, not a belief system, nor anything else. Pedophiles don't choose to be pedophiles - who would? Who would want to love those they could never be with and be hated by virtually everyone, and if not hated, distrusted? Pedophilia, though, isn't wrong - rape is.

It's been found that most sex offenders with crimes against children are not pedophiles. Most pedophiles that are convicted for such things are brought in for pornography charges - which can include drawn pornography in some jurisdictions - and not for violent charges like rape. If most pedophiles are not predators, and most predators are not pedophiles are not pedophiles, why are pedophiles the target for all this hate and judgment? It makes no sense and serves only to remove incentive to remain within the law. If you are hated and treated like a criminal, a monster, without actually offending, what concrete reason do you have not to offend?

As it stands now, pedophiles have staggeringly high depression and suicide rates - most that kill themselves do so when they are first figuring out what they are, generally not long after puberty themselves - the 16-19 range. How can anybody tolerate this? Death and suffering for something that they can't control?

Now I'll probably get a lot of insults thrown my way, people insinuating things, like the other times. But I have a conscience and can't let a group of people get hated and treated like monsters simply for existing. But bigots always find a group to hate, always find a reason to be hateful. Witches, Communists, Muslims, various races - they've all been subjected to the same treatment in the past, always "for good reason."

most people already know the difference between sexual abuse and pedophilia i'm sure. those two are just often corrolated with eachother.

pedophillia is wrong. its a sickness that needs to be treated. we shouldn't let these people walk around willy nilly with no treatment. no treatment to sicknesses just makes it worse to the point they'll hurt other people and maybe even themselves.

youre acting like pedophiles actually receive tons of shit from society for no reason besides that theryre pedophiles. they should be seen as despicable and disgusting because they're acts of it are morally wrong. finding children sexually attractive is disgusting. sexualizing children is disgusting. having sex with children is disgusting.

I have no idea how you can think that, when we've gotten people like Josh Dugger being defended over his acts if pedophilia, and just a ton of people in general defending it and them, even if they haven't commited the act yet or before. kinda like how you're doing right now.


^ This Schmooples is all tje evidence I need. Adnd gueds what? Child molesterws and pedophiles are w
actually walking sacks of evidence., tied in with nodily fluids and tje victim.

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Pedophles will eventially molest a child, so saying pefophilia isny jarmful is like saying HIV isnt harmful bevause its not AIDS yet.




Simply not true. Your subjective reasoning doesn't hold much grounds on a debate.
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Schmooples wrote:


megahobbit wrote:


Schmooples wrote:


megahobbit wrote:

I insist they have a problem simply for attraction I would never wish death on anyone.


Feelings can't be wrong - acting on them can.


Im arguing mental health not morality.


Psychiatry is often colored by social mores. Homosexuality was once thought of as a mental disorder.


Yes but if too men have consensual sex than there both gonna be unharmed. If a man and a underage child have sex than the child will be fucked up. Social Mores once accepted Pedophilia and they have evolved past that. Look its not okay to fuck kids and if your thinking about fucking kids thats not okay either.
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LadyofAshes wrote:

Its a sickness and child molesting is unforgiveable, recovery is 0%, which is why sexoffenders must register where they live for the redt of their lives. Aeay from schools, the data reflects that there is no cure, and no contention.

Pedophles will eventially molest a child, so saying pefophilia isny jarmful is like saying HIV isnt harmful bevause its not AIDS yet.


Where is your evidence? Many experts have said exactly otherwise, studies have suggested otherwise, etc., etc.

For example, this shows that only about 35% of offenders are pedophiles.
http://psycnet.apa.org/?&fa=main.doiLanding&doi=10.1037/0021-843X.115.3.610

There are also many sources that show that not all pedophiles offend, and most evidence suggests that most don't.


By my math (in the spoiler below), which is admittedly flawed, about 2.5% of pedophiles commit child sexual abuse. Their are some imperfections with the statistics I had to use (data is extremely limited), but it also excludes things like repeat offenders which would drag the percent down even more.

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Posted 7/18/15 , edited 7/18/15

Schmooples wrote:


LadyofAshes wrote:

Its a sickness and child molesting is unforgiveable, recovery is 0%, which is why sexoffenders must register where they live for the redt of their lives. Aeay from schools, the data reflects that there is no cure, and no contention.

Pedophles will eventially molest a child, so saying pefophilia isny jarmful is like saying HIV isnt harmful bevause its not AIDS yet.


Where is your evidence? Many experts have said exactly otherwise, studies have suggested otherwise, etc., etc.

For example, this shows that only about 35% of offenders are pedophiles.
http://psycnet.apa.org/?&fa=main.doiLanding&doi=10.1037/0021-843X.115.3.610

There are also many sources that show that not all pedophiles offend, and most evidence suggests that most don't.


Don't forget, living under power lines cause cancer and smoking is good for you. And in the DSM1, being gay was treatable with electro-shock.

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pugi wrote:


LadyofAshes wrote:

Its a sickness and child molesting is unforgiveable, recovery is 0%, which is why sexoffenders must register where they live for the redt of their lives. Aeay from schools, the data reflects that there is no cure, and no contention.

Pedophles will eventially molest a child, so saying pefophilia isny jarmful is like saying HIV isnt harmful bevause its not AIDS yet.

recovery isn't possible, but treatment is.
I wouldn't actually go so far to compare it to HIV/AIDS though.
do sex offenders have to live away from schools?
...because there are apparently 2 sex offenders (one a pedophile actually) in my girlfriends neighborhood and they're technically 3 schools nearby in walking distance. and its even worse, that they are special needs schools too.


By using that thought process, we can also "cure" homosexuals, or heterosexuals.
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Schmooples wrote:

Psychiatry is often colored by social mores. Homosexuality was once thought of as a mental disorder.


Yes but if too men have consensual sex than there both gonna be unharmed. If a man and a underage child have sex than the child will be fucked up. Social Mores once accepted Pedophilia and they have evolved past that. Look its not okay to fuck kids and if your thinking about fucking kids thats not okay either.


There has been evidence that consensual sex involving minors does not cause trauma as people expect (Rind et. al, amongst other studies), but that is another matter and I don't necessarily condone anything of the sort. As you point out, pedophilia was once accepted (and in some places, still is) and those places didn't suffer consequences because of it.

I've never said it is ok to have sexual relationships with children, but it is pretty messed up to label thoughts as wrong. Next thing you know, people will start disappearing to be reprogrammed because they thought the government might not be perfect.


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Schmooples wrote:

Where is your evidence? Many experts have said exactly otherwise, studies have suggested otherwise, etc., etc.

For example, this shows that only about 35% of offenders are pedophiles.
http://psycnet.apa.org/?&fa=main.doiLanding&doi=10.1037/0021-843X.115.3.610

There are also many sources that show that not all pedophiles offend, and most evidence suggests that most don't.


By my math (in the spoiler below), which is admittedly flawed, about 2.5% of pedophiles commit child sexual abuse. Their are some imperfections with the statistics I had to use (data is extremely limited), but it also excludes things like repeat offenders which would drag the percent down even more.



I've seen similar math done before. By no means is it conclusive, but I believe it to be reasonably accurate given what we know.
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