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Post Reply NY State: $15/hour for fast-food workers
Posted 7/23/15

PrinceJudar wrote:

It's been a fact that minimum wage has to increase, but only to $12, max. $15 is...lol.

Good luck getting employed or getting hours. Fuckin' lol.


really $12 may even be too much unfortunately. i feel like anything above $10 and you'd have to deal with reduced hours. but hey, at least the unemployment numbers will go down with the increase in hiring to offset having everyone work reduced hours.
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Posted 7/23/15

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interesting, though i think $15 is a bit much but at least it's raised incrementally in order to soften the blow to franchise owners. what i find weird is why this is not a minimum wage hike across the board? does the service a "fast food" worker provide anymore important or better than say the person working at a retail store, gas station, or a sit down restaurant etc.. The state min wage will still be 8.75 for everyone else & i doubt the service/food will be any better with the hiked wages, so you'll just end up paying more for shit, but fast food is bad anyway.

entry level fast food jobs are meant for young people, not for older adults to try and live off of, but times change. good for them i guess, bad for everyone else who will be making less than them.


It'll happen for all workers in NYC. $15 is the minimum wage that a person can live off of without being in poverty.


hmm..that isn't the way i read the official decision. it specifically stated fast food workers (any job you prepay for food at a counter). unless there is other legislation at the city level i'm not aware of, which is entirely possible.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/23/nyregion/new-york-minimum-wage-fast-food-workers.html?_r=0

I read it as workers for fast food chains that have 30 or more locations....In that case, many places will close shop and have exactly 29 stores, that is their out..Another reason to raise it across the board.
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Posted 7/23/15
Look minimum wage is cool and all but doesn't all ways work as well as people think. Here is an example you are a business owner and you have $45,000 dollars to use and you want to hire new employees. That means you can hire two people for about $12.00 an hour or one person for around $22.50 an hour. If the minimum wage is $15.00 an hour you cant afford to hire two employees so what are you going to do? Well instead of providing two people with jobs paying $12.50 an hour you are now going to hire one person at $15.00 and hour and then pocket the rest, because why would you pay someone $22.50 an hour to flip a burger?

So the question then becomes what is better two people having low paying jobs or one person having a low paying job(But earning slightly more)?
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Posted 7/23/15

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Wow you mean the poor to middle class who are trying to hold a job down in a less than perfect economy and didn't have enough to go to college are starting to get paid wages that they can actually live off of and now that CEO can't afford that 5th mansion in the hills? What a crime!


In most cases it is the franchise owner that pays the wages of workers that get paid minimum wage not the corporation so it might have little to no effect on the CEO with 5 mansions. As for why they are just starting with fast food instead of across the board, my guess is to use it as a test case to see how it works out before changing it across the board. Franchise owners say they are going to hire less workers, let the work less hours, increase food prices etc. They are probably waiting to see if these things actually happen.
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Posted 7/23/15
Actually this is a way to raise wages across the board

So if I work at a book store for 11 bucks but Mcdonalds starts at 15 why should I remain at the book store?

Its in the interest of all minimum wage employers to raise their pay to meet or exceed this which they easily can.
Posted 7/23/15

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/23/nyregion/new-york-minimum-wage-fast-food-workers.html?_r=0

I read it as workers for fast food chains that have 30 or more locations....In that case, many places will close shop and have exactly 29 stores, that is their out..Another reason to raise it across the board.


yep, plenty of loop holes. i'm sure it was done that way purposefully so they can look like they were appeasing the lower class while still staying in the good graces of corporations.
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Posted 7/23/15 , edited 7/23/15

_prey wrote:

really $12 may even be too much unfortunately. i feel like anything above $10 and you'd have to deal with reduced hours. but hey, at least the unemployment numbers will go down with the increase in hiring to offset having everyone work reduced hours.


My sister has been working jobs like this for years. She can't get any damn hours. This may seem great to people, but they're not factoring in how hard it can be to get any bloody freaking hours.

They also don't realize there's a there's a discrepancy that can't be accounted for on the sub national level. These cities might look and sound great having a higher minimum wage, but the truth of the matter is that people who can't afford to live there will pack up and leave. Leaving a city for job opportunities is a lot easier than leaving a country.

Basically it's better living for less people. Although some like to believe in magic.



I don't think $12 over a 10 year period is a bad thing, i think it put us more in line with our international competitors.

$15 though, is hilarious.

Posted 7/23/15
There's no use raising the minimum wage if the rest of the other people's pay will not scale accordingly.

It's kind of dumb to have someone start at $15/hr while someone who had to work say 10 years to get there will not get an equivalent raise. Hopefully, that's how it's structured to work. It's still pretty hard to take in though. I don't necessarily make much more than that, but I have former college classmates getting paid less than that... unemployed even! It almost makes higher education a joke.
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Posted 7/23/15
The $15 minimum wage laws have one big problem; they are not tied to inflation.

In 20 years, we will be facing the same issues again.
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Posted 7/23/15 , edited 7/24/15

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There's no use raising the minimum wage if the rest of the other people's pay will not scale accordingly.

It's kind of dumb to have someone start at $15/hr while someone who had to work say 10 years to get there will not get an equivalent raise. Hopefully, that's how it's structured to work. It's still pretty hard to take in though. I don't necessarily make much more than that, but I have former college classmates getting paid less than that... unemployed even! It almost makes higher education a joke.


But-but it's magic! People will make more, keep their jobs, get hours and enjoy the same prices on their purchases!



Hehehe, economics. I agree with you, the entire job market would have to scale accordingly, as would the economy. It just won't, $15 is really insane. It'll get voters though because it's pretty neat sounding! And the cities will be able to get rid of more small business and low income workers!

Just, rofl.

$12 is more in line with inflation. I support that much over a period of time. $15 though? Fuckin' lol.



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Posted 7/23/15

Kingriptor wrote:

Actually this is a way to raise wages across the board

So if I work at a book store for 11 bucks but Mcdonalds starts at 15 why should I remain at the book store?

Its in the interest of all minimum wage employers to raise their pay to meet or exceed this which they easily can.


I disagree, the market is so flooded that if their is a job, it will be filled. Also, many people wouldn't work in a greasy restaurant no matter how much you pay them.Your also assuming that people only care about the paycheck. Many people also take lesser pay to gain some type of practical experience. Even if this scenario would happen in theory....companies have no problem paying illegal immigrants and ripping them off.
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Posted 7/23/15
A fast food job shouldn't be permanent, they are mean't as a starting point before you get into a career. If we want to deal with people making shit wages we need to deal with a larger problem. Raising the minimum wage is putting a band-aid on a open wound. I do agree however that state minimum wages need to increase a bit to accommodate living expenses and costs of education.
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Flipping burgers at McDonald's is not a job you should be making a career out of. That's an entry level job. A living wage is something you get from a normal job. The fact that middle aged men and women have to resort to fast food as their only option is a problem. Raising the minimum wage to the equivalent of a job a collage grad gets is only encouraging the problem. We should instead be focused on making higher education and real careers more accessible (especially to minorities) so that 40 year old single parents with 3 kids aren't forced to work at entry level jobs to survive.
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Posted 7/23/15

kamahl01 wrote:


Kingriptor wrote:

Actually this is a way to raise wages across the board

So if I work at a book store for 11 bucks but Mcdonalds starts at 15 why should I remain at the book store?

Its in the interest of all minimum wage employers to raise their pay to meet or exceed this which they easily can.


I disagree, the market is so flooded that if their is a job, it will be filled. Also, many people wouldn't work in a greasy restaurant no matter how much you pay them.Your also assuming that people only care about the paycheck. Many people also take lesser pay to gain some type of practical experience. Even if this scenario would happen in theory....companies have no problem paying illegal immigrants and ripping them off.


Ok sure.

1. The market can't be flooded and also full of people picky about their job choices. It doesn't work that way.

2. If you need a job desperately like most people Mcdonalds employs then yes the paycheck is your priority.

3.Those people are called interns or apprentices and they are typically guaranteed a better paying job after their training period. That's not applicable to untrained or retired workers who are simply trying to make ends meet

4. This scenario happens literally everywhere. New Wal-marts are notorious for paying more than their competitors to steal trained retail employees from them and ensure Wal-mart is the first place people apply.
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Posted 7/23/15

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I'm sorry what heroes are you talking about?

And this is upsetting to you? Not the fact that most fast food workers are usually impoverished minorities who can't find work otherwise.



"Heroes", such as our troops, police, firefighters, nurses, etc.

More than handfuls don't make what they should really make that actually change our lives or save our lives.
Posted 7/23/15

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"Heroes", such as our troops, police, firefighters, nurses, etc.

More than handfuls don't make what they should really make that actually change our lives or save our lives.


Rookie NYPD makes $41, 975.

FDNY makes over $77,000.

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