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_prey wrote:

entry level fast food jobs are meant for young people, not for older adults to try and live off of, but times change.



Thats the real problem.
The "new" economy is crap but it is not talked about in the news.

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zalbik wrote:


_prey wrote:

entry level fast food jobs are meant for young people, not for older adults to try and live off of, but times change.



Thats the real problem.
The "new" economy is crap but it is not talked about in the news.



I remember when I used to order take-out and food places like that. All of a sudden when the market turned to shit, it was taken over by older people, all the young kids got pushed out. Was kinda nice having a 50 year old deliver pizza, guy was totally professional as hell and would remember me and stuff. Then I remember I needed to see my feet and stopped ordering pizza by bulk.
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Businesses will do whatever they can to maximize profits. They already cut hours to the bare minimum, close unprofitable stores, skimp on benefits etc. The arguments that these things will happen if we raise wages is absurd. These things are happening now.

The bigger threat to fast food workers is automation. Pretty soon you will be ordering on a touch screen, eliminating front line employees. That's going to happen regardless of anything else. But raising the minimum wage may make it happen sooner, as the cost between employing people vs machines narrows or even flips. You will still need people to cook the food, but that could also change eventually.
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kinga750 wrote:The bigger threat to fast food workers is automation. Pretty soon you will be ordering on a touch screen, eliminating front line employees. That's going to happen regardless of anything else. But raising the minimum wage may make it happen sooner, as the cost between employing people vs machines narrows or even flips. You will still need people to cook the food, but that could also change eventually.

I give it 10-15 years at most before this becomes widespread. The initial investment cost will slow down implementation.

Raising minimum wages will speed up the change by a few years at most.

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I give it 10-15 years at most before this becomes widespread. The initial investment cost will slow down implementation.

Raising minimum wages will speed up the change by a few years at most.


10-15 years is not a long time. I don't want to speculate too much on the specifics without hard data to back it up. The bottom line is that increased automation will happen in every industry, and we should start thinking about what that means for low income workers.
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Dariamus wrote:


kinga750 wrote:The bigger threat to fast food workers is automation. Pretty soon you will be ordering on a touch screen, eliminating front line employees. That's going to happen regardless of anything else. But raising the minimum wage may make it happen sooner, as the cost between employing people vs machines narrows or even flips. You will still need people to cook the food, but that could also change eventually.

I give it 10-15 years at most before this becomes widespread. The initial investment cost will slow down implementation.

Raising minimum wages will speed up the change by a few years at most.



I thought they already had working prototypes for both kitchen and ordering systems.



Soon, very soon.
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I thought they already had working prototypes for both kitchen and ordering systems.

Soon, very soon.

They've had working prototypes for a couple of years now.

I spend too much time reading articles like this one:

http://singularityhub.com/2015/07/07/its-no-myth-robots-and-artificial-intelligence-will-erase-jobs-in-nearly-every-industry/





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kamahl01 wrote:

Here is what I don't like about this....Why make it 15 only for fast food workers?Is it because the screamed the loudest and will have the bigger impact come elections or are they more deserving than the rest of us. Entry level jobs in the architecture profession range from 15-20 an hour, some times even less or free internships. Same goes for careers like teaching,etc...make it 15 across the board,pretty much sending a message to kids that says "dont be a sap and get an education, flip burgers and youll be fine".I'm not even talking from a point of lack of understanding or sympathy, I worked in a grocery store for 7 years and had my pay capped at 9.95 an hour,yet was treated like a manager in terms of responsibility.


Not sure where you are from, but in Texas of all states (one of lowest teacher salaries) a teacher earns about $42,000 a year ($40-55 an hour). The entry level architecture average pay in the entire USA is $45,000. The average architect in the USA earns $72,500 a year. The starting pay will match up with a teacher.

A fast food worker working at $15.00 for 260 days a year (average days worked a year) and 8 hours a day (full time employee), will earn $32,200. The average college degree costs $31,500 for a 4 year plan. This leads to a ~$10,000 per year difference between lowest. This means it will take 3 years to pay off your college degree.

Say you work for a low 30 years. After you retire you will have made $270,000 for having made a college degree. That is at the rock low end. If your making what an average architect makes at the end, you will have made ~$1,000,000 with the gradient pay curve added.

The average cost of living in the USA is $58,000 a year. This means fast food still can not live at the average annual cost.

Do some research. It is still bad.
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The average cost of living in the USA is $58,000 a year. This means fast food still can not live at the average annual cost.

Do some research. It is still bad.


What?

You aren't being at all honest.

That's the average cost of living for 5 people.

http://cost-of-living.startclass.com/l/615/National-Average

Here is a tip. Can't afford kids, don't have them.

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Here is a hint. Poor people have an average of 3 kids. Middle and upper average at 2.
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Dark_Alma wrote:
The average cost of living in the USA is $58,000 a year. This means fast food still can not live at the average annual cost.

Do some research. It is still bad.


Trust me, you can support a family on less. That said, local cost of living can very greatly.

Been there, done that.

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Dark_Alma wrote:

Here is a hint. Poor people have an average of 3 kids. Middle and upper average at 2.


Another hint, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. I've lived poor before, but I've never lived $58,000 a year rich.
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Dariamus wrote:


Dark_Alma wrote:
The average cost of living in the USA is $58,000 a year. This means fast food still can not live at the average annual cost.

Do some research. It is still bad.


Trust me, you can support a family on less. That said, local cost of living can very greatly.

Been there, done that.



That is why I took average. The cost of living in New England or Flordia or California is vastly different than Texas or Georgia etc. A big difference though is that in New York and Flordia, teachers earn $12,000 a year more average. So when living costs go up, pay goes up.

That is a big reason Texas is cheap to live in, you don't get paid shit here. Well unless your a very successful person.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_income

The states that cost more to live in are at the top with highest pay. The cheaper ones are in the bottom with lower pay. Just a fun thing to look at.
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Dark_Alma wrote:

Here is a hint. Poor people have an average of 3 kids. Middle and upper average at 2.


Another hint, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. I've lived poor before, but I've never lived $58,000 a year rich.


Nope. You let the horse die and get a smarter horse.
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kamahl01 wrote:

Here is what I don't like about this....Why make it 15 only for fast food workers?Is it because the screamed the loudest and will have the bigger impact come elections or are they more deserving than the rest of us. Entry level jobs in the architecture profession range from 15-20 an hour, some times even less or free internships. Same goes for careers like teaching,etc...make it 15 across the board,pretty much sending a message to kids that says "dont be a sap and get an education, flip burgers and youll be fine".I'm not even talking from a point of lack of understanding or sympathy, I worked in a grocery store for 7 years and had my pay capped at 9.95 an hour,yet was treated like a manager in terms of responsibility.


Not sure where you are from, but in Texas of all states (one of lowest teacher salaries) a teacher earns about $42,000 a year ($40-55 an hour). The entry level architecture average pay in the entire USA is $45,000. The average architect in the USA earns $72,500 a year. The starting pay will match up with a teacher.

A fast food worker working at $15.00 for 260 days a year (average days worked a year) and 8 hours a day (full time employee), will earn $32,200. The average college degree costs $31,500 for a 4 year plan. This leads to a ~$10,000 per year difference between lowest. This means it will take 3 years to pay off your college degree.

Say you work for a low 30 years. After you retire you will have made $270,000 for having made a college degree. That is at the rock low end. If your making what an average architect makes at the end, you will have made ~$1,000,000 with the gradient pay curve added.

The average cost of living in the USA is $58,000 a year. This means fast food still can not live at the average annual cost.

Do some research. It is still bad.


Entry level architect, probably is referring to licensed....most people don't get their license for a good 10 years after graduation if at all...

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