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saprobe wrote:

Right. I'm sorry I misunderstood. I thought you were trying to point out an exception like I did. :)


Ah that makes sense, okay.

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BlazingRagnarok wrote:


saprobe wrote:


BlazingRagnarok wrote:


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Ah yes here is one example of a trope that pretty much applies to everything:

If you have a protagonist with a grey morality who has committed a crime. He will almost definitely end up dead or in jail by the end of the series.

I have never seen that trope broken. Every protagonist who has done something evil without regret that I know of, has ended up dead.


Unless we're talking about a redemption story.


Like Rurouni Kenshin. I think xxJing is trying to say a protagonist who does something awful in the context of the anime not in the past.


The thing about exceptions is that they're a great way to cheat a little (or a lot) on the airtight-ness of ironclad rules.
My knowledge of anime isn't encyclopedic, but I'm sure that there are stories in which a character is shown to be evil, but progresses through character development and still gets a happy ending.


Well that is the thing isn't it, I have to be specific.

Let me be extremely specific then.

If you have a main character who does something awful, like murder or rape toward an innocent person / people without regret, during the story's present, then that main character will usually, to my experience always, have something equally awful happen to him at the end of the story.

This doesn't just apply to anime, it also applies to American TV. In essence, there is always a message of "Karma is a bitch" in stories. I have never seen an instance where a grey protagonist has done something evil like I stated, and hasn't been punished for it harshly. I have seen antagonists get away with it, but not a grey protagonist.
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xxJing wrote:


BlazingRagnarok wrote:


saprobe wrote:


BlazingRagnarok wrote:


xxJing
Ah yes here is one example of a trope that pretty much applies to everything:

If you have a protagonist with a grey morality who has committed a crime. He will almost definitely end up dead or in jail by the end of the series.

I have never seen that trope broken. Every protagonist who has done something evil without regret that I know of, has ended up dead.


Unless we're talking about a redemption story.


Like Rurouni Kenshin. I think xxJing is trying to say a protagonist who does something awful in the context of the anime not in the past.


The thing about exceptions is that they're a great way to cheat a little (or a lot) on the airtight-ness of ironclad rules.
My knowledge of anime isn't encyclopedic, but I'm sure that there are stories in which a character is shown to be evil, but progresses through character development and still gets a happy ending.


Well that is the thing isn't it, I have to be specific.

Let me be extremely specific then.

If you have a main character who does something awful, like murder or rape toward an innocent person / people without regret, during the story's present, then that main character will usually, to my experience always, have something equally awful happen to him at the end of the story.

This doesn't just apply to anime, it also applies to American TV. In essence, there is always a message of "Karma is a bitch" in stories. I have never seen an instance where a grey protagonist has done something evil like I stated, and hasn't been punished for it harshly. I have seen antagonists get away with it, but not a grey protagonist.


Jotaro Kujo calls his mother a bitch, steals things and beats people because it makes him feel better and he's the protagonist of Stardust Crusaders. :p
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Zefyris- wrote:

Ejanss wrote:
"Newbies" are identified by their use of any of the following words:
- Bleach
- Naruto
- Bebop
- One Piece
- Akira
- EVA
- Fireflies



"Experienced" fans have a longer history of buying their anime on disk (or, for some of us, on tape), know where to stream actual new series, can name at least three 90's series and three 80's series, and are aware that Cartoon Network Is Evil.


As if someone new to anime would mention shows who ended their airing time before 2000 like those four.


Well, y'see, that's just it:
A newbie fan would ask another fan "What shows should I first watch?", would immediately be besieged with dozens of previous-generation fans saying he "HAD" to start with the bolded titles mentioned, because they had to be passed down from the previous generation of fans.
Then the new fan would immediately assume he was now Anime-Literate, that those were the core titles around which the very foundations of anime revolved, and go and recommend the same five or six titles to the next generation of newbies, and so on, etta-ceteraaa, etta-ceteraaa....
An experienced fan has enough of his own viewing experience to know when to break the EVA and Fireflies cycle, and recommend a wide variety of tailored favorites, even if they're not playing for free on Cartoon Network.

(Yeah, I remember the days when you had to condescendingly recommend whatever happened to be playing on Toonami/Adult Swim, because there were no streaming sites and they wouldn't know where else to find it.)
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inexperienced: where are all the tentacles?
experienced: let me guess. he's the only one who can properly operate the mech, despite having never seen one before.

the true purpose of all anime fans is to evangelize! Judge not lest ye be judged! let the people know there is more to anime than hentai, pokemon and dragon ball z! The geek shall inherit! Blessed are the otaku, for theirs is the kingdom of Haruhi!

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I have figured out the perfect way to explain an experienced anime fan.

Being an experienced anime fan is, knowing a lot about something that no one cares that you know a lot about.
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xxJing wrote:

I have figured out the perfect way to explain an experienced anime fan.

Being an experienced anime fan is, knowing a lot about something that no one cares that you know a lot about.


Haha you're absolutely right. But it's the same being a fan of anything, really.
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An experienced fan has watched more anime and has been watching it for a longer time than an inexperienced one. It's as simple as that. There is not need to precisely define an exact point where an anime fan becomes in a veteran. It doesn't matter really, because everyone started being inexperienced and, furthermore, being an experienced fan doesn't mean that you are superior as, hilariously, some fans tend to think.
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Inexperienced: someone that doesn't know their tastes, or does know their taste but has to ask around constantly for recommendations (and will take whatever they can get in terms of those).
Experienced: can pick out what they want to watch on their own with a little bit of research, as well as know how to selectively take recommendations if given some.
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Posted 7/23/15
Have you hardcoded fansubs onto VHS tho.
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I would say part of being an "experienced" viewer, if we use the word "experienced" as by it's Webster definition, is your ability to recommend anime. If someone says, "I really liked 'x' series, can you recommend others like it" and you can rattle off some titles then I'd say you're experienced. If you can't then you're most likely "inexperienced".

Note that I'm not attaching any judgments. We've all been "inexperienced" in every subject or hobby we've ever engaged in. It's the nature of life. If you were born with all knowledge of all things, well, god-like comes to mind. (*cue Izayoi Sakamaki*)
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you're still a noob until you watch the entirety of Endless 8
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It is all about broadening the horizons of the viewer. I have come to the point where I know what I like and what I won't like. That is what makes someone experienced or not. In order to get to that point you need to watch a little bit of everything. Of course, even those genres you do hate, there could still be good series in there that you may like. For instance, I think most harem series are poorly written, fanservice riddled, bland, stereotyped garbage that is used to pander to certain otaku circles to move merchandise. However, I do like The World God Only Knows. I was surprised it was as good as it was. It had some agency and some personality to it, unlike most harem series. So it is all about your standards you place on yourself... However, if you go on and on about just Toonami based shows or even worse, just Shonen Jump stuff, you are 100% inexperienced and need to start branching out into the unknown. It is scary at first, but it is well worth it. You can't be afraid to try new things.

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Rito2Ru wrote:

you're still a noob until you watch the entirety of Endless 8


Then I'm a noob who has watched nearly 40 years of anime.

Enjoyed the Melancholy quite a bit, just did not feel like forcing myself to endure the Endless.
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I believe this is a very arbitrary separation...

IMHO there are people who just 'watch/consume' anime, these are the 'causal' users who will watch maybe a handful of episodes per month, have their favourites series but probably forgot what they watched last... year or don't really care about a 2nd series that has just been released. They like anime but they don't really 'dig' the big fuss around it.

On the other 'side' there are the more 'passionate' fans that are very enthusiastic, will want to go home and explore new anime series, discuss about them with their friends, know about the plot, the voice actors, the directors, get involved in online forums/conversations, attent conferences/exhibitions, they start building their won collection of DVDs, figures, posters, manga, etc.

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