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Posted 7/31/15

Nobodyofimportance wrote:

Bias. An Anti-american bias at that. A truly disinterested person wouldn't care. You want a more negative version of U.S. history. That is a bias against a positive version of U.S. history.


I'm not Anti-American, I'm against the concept of countries and their patriotism in general. I don't want a more negative version of U.S. History, I want one that actually tells what happened. I'm sorry that I'm not interested in having the wool pulled over my eyes when it comes to history. Teach it like it happened and that's it.

You want to live in a place that denies and tries to cover up its mistakes? Fine, have fun being made ignorant all for the sake of a 'more pleasant story.'
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One step closer to becoming like the brainwashed North Koreans. Pretty soon we'll be calling Obama, Clinton, or Bush "Dear Leader."


Have you heard how so many people worship the ground Obama walks on? You'd think he was the second coming of Christ to hear how the media goes on about our supreme overlord...


Have you heard how so many people demonize President Obama?You think he was the antichrist to hear how some media go on about the top position in the executive which they covet.What does this have to do with the original topic?


Sorry if it seemed off topic, it just helps show the indoctrination we all face in America. Obama is neither a god nor a devil, but so many people just blindly believe all they hear. It shows how easy it would be to change the history requirements and make everyone believe something that may or may not be true. I agree with what people have said in there being no way to tell unbiased history, so they need to just cover it all, good and bad, and let the students decide what to take from it.
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Posted 7/31/15

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This thread is about to be taken over by delusional anarchists. I can feel it.


Anarcho-capitalism makes loads of sense up until you realise that it's basically human nature for the sheeple to flock to a ruler... Be it a king, elected official, religious figure, or a big ass corporation...


Anything seems reasonable until you take into account the nature of humans.
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Very true
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I never learned much from my history classes so I didn't pay attention anyway. I found that when I wanted to learn something I'd research it myself. History Channel helped a lot too, i'm quite sad at the current state its in.
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If you look at it this way all history is bias it is written by the winners. Just to focus on the bad of a nation is the same as if they just focus only on the good. The best we could hope for is to present both sides and allow the readers to be the ones that come up with their own judgements. So if this recommendation to the course will present both sides then i'm all for it.
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Posted 7/31/15

billytheboy wrote:


pirththee wrote:


billytheboy wrote:


PhantomGundam wrote:

One step closer to becoming like the brainwashed North Koreans. Pretty soon we'll be calling Obama, Clinton, or Bush "Dear Leader."


Have you heard how so many people worship the ground Obama walks on? You'd think he was the second coming of Christ to hear how the media goes on about our supreme overlord...


Have you heard how so many people demonize President Obama?You think he was the antichrist to hear how some media go on about the top position in the executive which they covet.What does this have to do with the original topic?


Sorry if it seemed off topic, it just helps show the indoctrination we all face in America. Obama is neither a god nor a devil, but so many people just blindly believe all they hear. It shows how easy it would be to change the history requirements and make everyone believe something that may or may not be true. I agree with what people have said in there being no way to tell unbiased history, so they need to just cover it all, good and bad, and let the students decide what to take from it.


There isn't any way to take the " a perspective" out of history, but when one overgeneralizes one is destined to be in error.Even determining what is considered "good" and "bad" is in open dispute and when one characterizes all of academia as having a left wing twist, (as some on here have done), is just grossly inaccurate.If youre taught "revisionist history" in high school then those that go on to college will just have to relearn it.If you don't go on to college then you will only have the allegedly "sanitized version" at your disposal.Maybe that's the plan.
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DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER!

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Posted 7/31/15 , edited 7/31/15

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Nobodyofimportance wrote:

Bias. An Anti-american bias at that. A truly disinterested person wouldn't care. You want a more negative version of U.S. history. That is a bias against a positive version of U.S. history.


I'm not Anti-American, I'm against the concept of countries and their patriotism in general. I don't want a more negative version of U.S. History, I want one that actually tells what happened. I'm sorry that I'm not interested in having the wool pulled over my eyes when it comes to history. Teach it like it happened and that's it.

You want to live in a place that denies and tries to cover up its mistakes? Fine, have fun being made ignorant all for the sake of a 'more pleasant story.'


You. can't. get. an. unbiased. version.
If you don't want wool pulled over your eyes don't read anything about it.
Most of it doesn't matter anyways. And the vast majority is ignored.
If you want what "actually happened" you're better served by just reading the chapter titles.
What use is learning about the trail of tears or Japanese internment?
What use is it knowing Christopher Columbus used islanders as dartboards and worked them to death after enslaving them?
Better yet, how many of those islanders got to write down their experiences?
There's a lot of blood in history. There always has been. Personally I wasn't all that interesting in how new englanders tarred and feathered people. Perhaps you are, but I don't think most of that, beyond the sentiment of the people at the time, is altogether too relevant.It's like, you don't really need to know the details of how much hard liquor Americans drank to know they tried revolting because a tax was imposed on it.


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Nobodyofimportance wrote:
Still a slanted version.


Do you understand what is meant when a historian says he is referencing primary source material?

When you want to understand Why a historical person took certain actions, primary sources are the defining material. It is the subject explaining their reasons in their own words. If those actions are due to bias or misinformation, that is still a historically significant reason behind the individuals actions.



Aye, and that's the best we've got. The difficulty starts coming in when people attempt to interpret things or use "what if" scenarios. At the high school level at least, I'd hope such things are kept out of the curriculum. I doubt most of them are working with primary sources or have the time to truly get an in depth study that allows them to formulate a more impartial view of the subject.
I should note I'm not a historian, so I don't deal with such things. But I have learned that it's very important to have things in context and know where people's incentives lie.
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Posted 7/31/15
AP classes are a joke. So is our education system as a whole. It was bad enough back in my day, but today it's just laughable. Make it harder and screw the ones saying otherwise.

People want to get mad these days when we try revamp the system and improve it because they're afraid their "gifted" little Timmy won't be the genius they thought he was anymore.

God forbid our society actually puts in the work instead of expecting life to be handed to them on a silver platter.
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Gee, I wonder why someone might be getting their knickers in a twist over people's schoolbooks.
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Go forth and be conquered https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSLqhZk-hA4

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Posted 7/31/15

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Gee, I wonder why someone might be getting their knickers in a twist over people's schoolbooks.


You're joking... That's in a damn text book? So they expect kids not to understand "shall not be infringed"? sicking...
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Posted 7/31/15

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Gee, I wonder why someone might be getting their knickers in a twist over people's schoolbooks.


You're joking... That's in a damn text book? So they expect kids not to understand "shall not be infringed"? sicking...


Yeap.



I don't believe the book went over very well.

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I'm surprised the first amendment in that book didn't say "as long as you don't offend minorities"...
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